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Just emphasizing is not a big deal. Giving numbers that are outright wrong is a problem. This is common practice. "Everyone does that" is no excuse.

by egor83 16y ago

rbarooah 16y ago
Which numbers were outright wrong?
- egor83 16y ago
  The claim about 90% market share. Price comparison, while not outright wrong, is still stretching the truth a bit. "Smooth/small" thing too.
  - rbarooah 16y ago
    I don't see how the 90% market share statement is wrong unless you include boxes sitting in warehouses or returned products as 'sold'. What's wrong with the price comparison? I agree that the smooth/small thing was underhanded, although let's not forget that that statement was made as Samsung admitted that they hadn't actually sold 2m devices as they had previously claimed.
    - egor83 16y ago
      1) I don't see how the 90% market share statement is wrong From the article: Apple sold 14.8 mln iPads. Samsung sold 2 mln Tabs. Do you imply that these figures are not correct? If so, please provide better data. But if we use these figures, Apple has 14.8 / (14.8 + 2) ~ 88% market share, and a claim about "> 90%" is outright wrong. Please note that no other competitors were included in this count. 2) What's wrong with the price comparison? "Jobs compared the most expensive Android tablet -- the XOOM --against the iPad. ... The XOOM's are simply better. It has (expandable) 32GB of storage built in and 3G built in ... XOOM has a much better, bigger 720P+ screen ... Then, add far superior cameras (w/flash), stereo speakers (iPad 2 has one), 4G and a micro-USB/SD Card reader", plus (possibly) more RAM. One pays more for XOOM, but one gets more (EDIT - in terms of components. I'm not saying XOOMs have better design/software/etc) as well. Jobs compares prices for devices with different specs.
      - tedunangst 16y ago
        2 million Tabs is the number shipped to stores, not sold to consumers. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sales-actually-quite-small/ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sa... No real number given, but anything under 1.6 million makes 90% feasible.
        egor83 16y ago
        Okay. Please provide your data on sales (on iPads, Samsung Tabs and other competitors you consider worthy) and show that iPad has more than 90% market share.
        Kylekramer 16y ago
        Apple reports the same shipped to stores numbers. Why not compare them?
        tedunangst 16y ago
        Do they? I imagine they do, but there aren't any WSJ blog posts pointing that out. The issue then is one of how long it takes Apple to sell out that inventory.
        rbarooah 16y ago
        The Tabs weren't sold - Samsung said so. The iPads were sold and are no longer available. That's why. (source: http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/02/28/backs.quick.second.gen.ipad.launch/ http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/02/28/backs.quick.se... )
        othermaciej 16y ago
        There's nothing wrong with comparing them, but it is extremely misleading to use it as a measure of market share, when it is likely that sell-through rates are significantly different. The only relevant measure of market share or market size is devices in the hands of users, It is even worse to claim that shipment to retailers is the one true measure of market share, and someone else "lied" by estimating customer sales instead.

Just emphasizing is not a big deal. Giving numbers that are outright wrong is a problem. This is common practice. "Everyone does that" is no excuse.

by egor83 16y ago

Just emphasizing is not a big deal. Giving numbers that are outright wrong is a problem. This is common practice. "Everyone does that" is no excuse.

rbarooah 16y ago

Which numbers were outright wrong?

egor83 16y ago
The claim about 90% market share. Price comparison, while not outright wrong, is still stretching the truth a bit. "Smooth/small" thing too.
- rbarooah 16y ago
  I don't see how the 90% market share statement is wrong unless you include boxes sitting in warehouses or returned products as 'sold'. What's wrong with the price comparison? I agree that the smooth/small thing was underhanded, although let's not forget that that statement was made as Samsung admitted that they hadn't actually sold 2m devices as they had previously claimed.
  - egor83 16y ago
    1) I don't see how the 90% market share statement is wrong From the article: Apple sold 14.8 mln iPads. Samsung sold 2 mln Tabs. Do you imply that these figures are not correct? If so, please provide better data. But if we use these figures, Apple has 14.8 / (14.8 + 2) ~ 88% market share, and a claim about "> 90%" is outright wrong. Please note that no other competitors were included in this count. 2) What's wrong with the price comparison? "Jobs compared the most expensive Android tablet -- the XOOM --against the iPad. ... The XOOM's are simply better. It has (expandable) 32GB of storage built in and 3G built in ... XOOM has a much better, bigger 720P+ screen ... Then, add far superior cameras (w/flash), stereo speakers (iPad 2 has one), 4G and a micro-USB/SD Card reader", plus (possibly) more RAM. One pays more for XOOM, but one gets more (EDIT - in terms of components. I'm not saying XOOMs have better design/software/etc) as well. Jobs compares prices for devices with different specs.
    - tedunangst 16y ago
      2 million Tabs is the number shipped to stores, not sold to consumers. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sales-actually-quite-small/ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sa... No real number given, but anything under 1.6 million makes 90% feasible.
      - egor83 16y ago
        Okay. Please provide your data on sales (on iPads, Samsung Tabs and other competitors you consider worthy) and show that iPad has more than 90% market share.
      - Kylekramer 16y ago
        Apple reports the same shipped to stores numbers. Why not compare them?
        tedunangst 16y ago
        Do they? I imagine they do, but there aren't any WSJ blog posts pointing that out. The issue then is one of how long it takes Apple to sell out that inventory.
        rbarooah 16y ago
        The Tabs weren't sold - Samsung said so. The iPads were sold and are no longer available. That's why. (source: http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/02/28/backs.quick.second.gen.ipad.launch/ http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/02/28/backs.quick.se... )
        othermaciej 16y ago
        There's nothing wrong with comparing them, but it is extremely misleading to use it as a measure of market share, when it is likely that sell-through rates are significantly different. The only relevant measure of market share or market size is devices in the hands of users, It is even worse to claim that shipment to retailers is the one true measure of market share, and someone else "lied" by estimating customer sales instead.