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Author makes the implicit assumption that the problem he experiences are the experience of everyone. They aren't. Specifically: Spam: I used to get a lot more
by einpoklum 7y ago
Author makes the implicit assumption that the problem he experiences are the experience of everyone. They aren't.
Specifically:
Spam: I used to get a lot more spam, today I get some, but with client side-filtering, it's something like a message every one or two days. And my address is very visible online, and I get dozens of legit messages per day; a good number even excluding mailing lists.
centralisation: This _is_ a problem for me - my provider is being swallowed by MS Outlook365. But that's not driven by spam detection IMHO. (PS - spam did not go down significantly when this happened.) Actually, whatever standard you use - it's extremely likely that if it's free and anybody can ran an "email-plus" server, then Google and Yandex and GMX etc. will run those, and web services to access them, giving you centralization again.
Scam: I feel I have this under control personally, but I recognize that some people might fall prey to that.
Standards for digitally signed email ... not great: I dunno, seems to work fine for me. I mean, sure, mail clients could use better integration of encryption and signing, but other than that no serious complaints about email as such.
a future where hosting email yourself makes you suspicious. Now _that_ is a problem. In fact, it's a problem _right now_.
difficult to hide who is sending email to whom. So, me and the author may believe this is a general problem, but many/most people don't care about this. Unfortunately.
HTML email is not well standardised, and is a security and privacy risk. It's a menace! For me, this is a serious problem. People write crap HTML and send it to me.
HTML emails can embed ... from the Internet: Easily disabled entirely with reasonable mail clients. The problem is in the client, not the protocol. After all, with any messaging protocol, you could send markdown or HTML as though it was plain text, and a client could choose to interpret it as it sees fit.
Attachments fill disks: I'm annoyed by this to no end, many people are perfectly fine with it since for them it's just webmail, so not their disk. Also, it's unlikely you can have your protocol prevent transferring files. At worst it would go back to the days of binaries-over-IRC.
The technologies and standards for email are getting ridiculously complicated. This is at most a problem for programmers. Also, it's a problem from the 1980s and early 1990s... MIME is quite complicated, and in fact, I challenge anyone here to point to any mail client properly support complex MIME structures, with hierarchies including multipart, alternative and so on. But most users are none the wiser.
The email tech stack is getting so hard to understand that it’s difficult to even use: If you're a power-user/administrator - maybe. If your' an end-user of webmail or a mail client - not really IMHO.
never mind implement correctly. Never mind that the complexity results in more effort to operate and keep the servers secure.
- dhosek 7y ago>Spam: I used to get a lot more spam, today I get some, but with client side-filtering, it's something like a message every one or two days. And my address is very visible online, and I get dozens of legit messages per day; a good number even excluding mailing lists. I don't even have that big of a problem. I almost never see e-mails that make it past the spam filter (like one every six months or so) and that includes one e-mail that dates back to the 90s that I used on usenet (aka, use your real e-mail address here and get added to every spam list). Even the volume of what gets caught in the spam filter is relatively low. The spam scammers have largely moved on from e-mail.
- foresto 7y ago> MIME is quite complicated, and in fact, I challenge anyone here to point to any mail client properly support complex MIME structures, with hierarchies including multipart, alternative and so on. What failures do you see most often in this area? Alternatively, what popular software gets this wrong? I'm not disputing your statement. It's just that one of my back burner hobby projects includes a new MIME parser, and identifying common pitfalls might help me feel confident that I get it right. Finding useful test data turns out to be harder than I expected. It's doing quite well with the messages I've thrown at it so far.
- einpoklum 7y ago> What failures do you see most often in this area? Alternatively, what popular software gets this wrong? They don't even try in order to fail. They drop the alternatives and flatten consecutive parts - and that's that. You can't see the part tree, you can't fold different parts, there's no distinct rendering for "report", there's no representation of the "related" type, etc. Consequently, there is no support for changing rendering settings or otherwise manipulating different parts, nor for removal or addition of parts .
- foresto 7y agoBack when I used Windows, I had a mailer (and usenet news reader) called Forté Agent. I liked the fact that it didn't hide things from me. When a content type was unknown or unsupported, it would still be represented (usually as an icon) in the displayed message. The MIME structure could be examined in a pop-up window, hierarchy intact, and individual parts could be scrolled into view or saved as files. Even preambles and epilogues were visible in the raw display mode. http://www.forteinc.com/agent/ http://www.forteinc.com/agent/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort%C3%A9_Agent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort%C3%A9_Agent How have I done with respect to your challenge? :) I wish more mailers were so good at just presenting the data, rather than mutating it to fit some designer's limited imagination or some programmer's limited patience.