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Since when is it not okay for a company the emphasize the pluses over the competition and leave out what's not so good. This is common practice. If you want a

by js4all 16y ago

Since when is it not okay for a company the emphasize the pluses over the competition and leave out what's not so good. This is common practice. If you want a full comparison, you have to do it yourself or use independent tests. I always rely on my own tests, if possible. Mr. Job's keynotes are rhetorically first class and most people can't wait to get hands on the products after they have seen the show. This is no reality distortion, this is perfect marketing.

egor83 16y ago
Just emphasizing is not a big deal. Giving numbers that are outright wrong is a problem. This is common practice. "Everyone does that" is no excuse.
- rbarooah 16y ago
  Which numbers were outright wrong?
  - egor83 16y ago
    The claim about 90% market share. Price comparison, while not outright wrong, is still stretching the truth a bit. "Smooth/small" thing too.
    - rbarooah 16y ago
      I don't see how the 90% market share statement is wrong unless you include boxes sitting in warehouses or returned products as 'sold'. What's wrong with the price comparison? I agree that the smooth/small thing was underhanded, although let's not forget that that statement was made as Samsung admitted that they hadn't actually sold 2m devices as they had previously claimed.
      - egor83 16y ago
        1) I don't see how the 90% market share statement is wrong From the article: Apple sold 14.8 mln iPads. Samsung sold 2 mln Tabs. Do you imply that these figures are not correct? If so, please provide better data. But if we use these figures, Apple has 14.8 / (14.8 + 2) ~ 88% market share, and a claim about "> 90%" is outright wrong. Please note that no other competitors were included in this count. 2) What's wrong with the price comparison? "Jobs compared the most expensive Android tablet -- the XOOM --against the iPad. ... The XOOM's are simply better. It has (expandable) 32GB of storage built in and 3G built in ... XOOM has a much better, bigger 720P+ screen ... Then, add far superior cameras (w/flash), stereo speakers (iPad 2 has one), 4G and a micro-USB/SD Card reader", plus (possibly) more RAM. One pays more for XOOM, but one gets more (EDIT - in terms of components. I'm not saying XOOMs have better design/software/etc) as well. Jobs compares prices for devices with different specs.
        tedunangst 16y ago
        2 million Tabs is the number shipped to stores, not sold to consumers. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sales-actually-quite-small/ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sa... No real number given, but anything under 1.6 million makes 90% feasible.
        egor83 16y ago
        Okay. Please provide your data on sales (on iPads, Samsung Tabs and other competitors you consider worthy) and show that iPad has more than 90% market share.
        Kylekramer 16y ago
        Apple reports the same shipped to stores numbers. Why not compare them?
        tedunangst 16y ago
        Do they? I imagine they do, but there aren't any WSJ blog posts pointing that out. The issue then is one of how long it takes Apple to sell out that inventory.

by js4all 16y ago

egor83 16y ago

Just emphasizing is not a big deal. Giving numbers that are outright wrong is a problem. This is common practice. "Everyone does that" is no excuse.

rbarooah 16y ago
Which numbers were outright wrong?
- egor83 16y ago
  The claim about 90% market share. Price comparison, while not outright wrong, is still stretching the truth a bit. "Smooth/small" thing too.
  - rbarooah 16y ago
    I don't see how the 90% market share statement is wrong unless you include boxes sitting in warehouses or returned products as 'sold'. What's wrong with the price comparison? I agree that the smooth/small thing was underhanded, although let's not forget that that statement was made as Samsung admitted that they hadn't actually sold 2m devices as they had previously claimed.
    - egor83 16y ago
      1) I don't see how the 90% market share statement is wrong From the article: Apple sold 14.8 mln iPads. Samsung sold 2 mln Tabs. Do you imply that these figures are not correct? If so, please provide better data. But if we use these figures, Apple has 14.8 / (14.8 + 2) ~ 88% market share, and a claim about "> 90%" is outright wrong. Please note that no other competitors were included in this count. 2) What's wrong with the price comparison? "Jobs compared the most expensive Android tablet -- the XOOM --against the iPad. ... The XOOM's are simply better. It has (expandable) 32GB of storage built in and 3G built in ... XOOM has a much better, bigger 720P+ screen ... Then, add far superior cameras (w/flash), stereo speakers (iPad 2 has one), 4G and a micro-USB/SD Card reader", plus (possibly) more RAM. One pays more for XOOM, but one gets more (EDIT - in terms of components. I'm not saying XOOMs have better design/software/etc) as well. Jobs compares prices for devices with different specs.
      - tedunangst 16y ago
        2 million Tabs is the number shipped to stores, not sold to consumers. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sales-actually-quite-small/ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sa... No real number given, but anything under 1.6 million makes 90% feasible.
        egor83 16y ago
        Okay. Please provide your data on sales (on iPads, Samsung Tabs and other competitors you consider worthy) and show that iPad has more than 90% market share.
        Kylekramer 16y ago
        Apple reports the same shipped to stores numbers. Why not compare them?
        tedunangst 16y ago
        Do they? I imagine they do, but there aren't any WSJ blog posts pointing that out. The issue then is one of how long it takes Apple to sell out that inventory.