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They are trying to prevent both millions of deaths and and worst economic collapse in modern age. Privacy isn't as important. Fight this thing when corona-virus

They are trying to prevent both millions of deaths and and worst economic collapse in modern age. Privacy isn't as important. Fight this thing when corona-virus is over.

jchristian- 7y ago
This is exactly the kind of dumb mentally the government wants, and you fell right into the trap. They always use situations like that to push bad stuff that won't be easy to ditch later...
- bronzeage 7y ago
  People can't literally exit their houses right now. Much more basic freedoms are taken. If you think ditching that later will be hard, ditching it now when it's desperately needed is impossible.
  - VMG 7y ago
    that policy is easy to understand can be reverted easily this is not true for surveillance systems
  - xvector 7y ago
    That is no excuse to tell people to give up their privacy. Some people value their freedoms more than you, it seems.
- formercoder 7y ago
  How many deaths is worth the increased privacy?
  - viraptor 7y ago
    That's a good question. It depends on how many deaths would the increased privacy save. In the future it won't be as easy to burn the papers documenting whatever group needs saving before the invasion. On the other hand, a lot of it is already in so many private systems, that this likely makes little difference. I'm not even sure I'm against the current application, but the question is not a simple one.
- andybak 7y ago
  > They always use situations like that There has never been a situation like this in the modern age. Last time it happened 50 million people died.
- tobltobs 7y ago
  > This is exactly the kind of dumb mentally the government wants, Is this supposed to be an argument?
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- Craighead 7y ago
  Weird that he hid in China and Russia, spoke nothing about their horrendous violations against humanity, likely trading US secrets and eventually creating notPetya indirectly.
Reason077 7y ago
Surely this technology has many useful applications beyond just the pandemic. It could be used to trace the networks of terrorists, the associates and contacts of criminals, child pornographers, anti-government insurgents, political opponents, environmental protesters... Once governments have these tools, they will want to keep them around.
- Tomte 7y ago
  Terrorists won't voluntarily publish their keys. That's an important difference. If you want to argue against Covid contact tracking, at least do it reasonably.
op03 7y ago
Exactly what the NSA said.
- andybak 7y ago
  Yes. It's not often I end up agreeing with the NSA but this is one of those times.
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nickysielicki 7y ago
Same exact thing could be (and was) said about terrorism and the patriot act.
6c696e7578 7y ago
I agree, anyone who thinks they have privacy whilst carrying a mini communications computer in their pocket is dumb. Remember https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WARRIOR_PRIDE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WARRIOR_PRIDE, Pepperide Farms does. There is no point trying to remain private whilst there is a phone where you have little control over private data. If you want privacy then you should look more towards using a collection of VPNs and fuzz your browser each time you use it. Change the installed fonts, randomize the browser window and destroy the user account that started it. You can't do this reliably with a phone. All surveillance relies upon the user favouring convenience.
joering2 7y ago
> They are trying to prevent both millions of deaths and and worst economic collapse in modern age. Are you implying we are not already in the worst economic collapse? Is there something to prevent at this point in time?

They are trying to prevent both millions of deaths and and worst economic collapse in modern age. Privacy isn't as important. Fight this thing when corona-virus is over.

jchristian- 7y ago

This is exactly the kind of dumb mentally the government wants, and you fell right into the trap. They always use situations like that to push bad stuff that won't be easy to ditch later...

bronzeage 7y ago
People can't literally exit their houses right now. Much more basic freedoms are taken. If you think ditching that later will be hard, ditching it now when it's desperately needed is impossible.
- VMG 7y ago
  that policy is easy to understand can be reverted easily this is not true for surveillance systems
- xvector 7y ago
  That is no excuse to tell people to give up their privacy. Some people value their freedoms more than you, it seems.
formercoder 7y ago
How many deaths is worth the increased privacy?
- viraptor 7y ago
  That's a good question. It depends on how many deaths would the increased privacy save. In the future it won't be as easy to burn the papers documenting whatever group needs saving before the invasion. On the other hand, a lot of it is already in so many private systems, that this likely makes little difference. I'm not even sure I'm against the current application, but the question is not a simple one.
andybak 7y ago
> They always use situations like that There has never been a situation like this in the modern age. Last time it happened 50 million people died.
tobltobs 7y ago
> This is exactly the kind of dumb mentally the government wants, Is this supposed to be an argument?

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Craighead 7y ago
Weird that he hid in China and Russia, spoke nothing about their horrendous violations against humanity, likely trading US secrets and eventually creating notPetya indirectly.

Reason077 7y ago

Surely this technology has many useful applications beyond just the pandemic. It could be used to trace the networks of terrorists, the associates and contacts of criminals, child pornographers, anti-government insurgents, political opponents, environmental protesters... Once governments have these tools, they will want to keep them around.

Tomte 7y ago
Terrorists won't voluntarily publish their keys. That's an important difference. If you want to argue against Covid contact tracking, at least do it reasonably.

op03 7y ago

Exactly what the NSA said.

andybak 7y ago
Yes. It's not often I end up agreeing with the NSA but this is one of those times.

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nickysielicki 7y ago

Same exact thing could be (and was) said about terrorism and the patriot act.

6c696e7578 7y ago

I agree, anyone who thinks they have privacy whilst carrying a mini communications computer in their pocket is dumb. Remember https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WARRIOR_PRIDE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WARRIOR_PRIDE, Pepperide Farms does. There is no point trying to remain private whilst there is a phone where you have little control over private data. If you want privacy then you should look more towards using a collection of VPNs and fuzz your browser each time you use it. Change the installed fonts, randomize the browser window and destroy the user account that started it. You can't do this reliably with a phone. All surveillance relies upon the user favouring convenience.

joering2 7y ago

> They are trying to prevent both millions of deaths and and worst economic collapse in modern age. Are you implying we are not already in the worst economic collapse? Is there something to prevent at this point in time?