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The article seemed to me to be a mix of two things, railing against the costs (blamed on the rise of administrators), and railing against the existence of diver

The article seemed to me to be a mix of two things, railing against the costs (blamed on the rise of administrators), and railing against the existence of diversity administrators. I'm a professor employed at my present institution, a small liberal arts school, since 1990. I am not an administrator of any kind, don't read the Chronicle, and don't understand where all the money goes. I will say though, that when I started we had very few students who were not white. Very few, particularly if you omitted athletes. But today a good chunk, 40% maybe, of the student body is, to my eye, nonwhite. I don't know how much of that can be ascribed to the diversity officer but it is IMHO a very good thing.

shard972 7y ago
Is it good when minorities are over-represented? meaning some white students are being discriminated against?
thundergolfer 7y ago
There certainly seemed to be an over-abundance of jabs at Diversity and Inclusion programs and staff. They’re surely a very small minority of the admin bloat, and they pursue a noble goal. It wasn’t that surprising to see Jared Taylor being recommended in the comments, given the subject matter and conservative angle this piece has.
fastball 7y ago
The US is 72.4% white. You would then expect there to be 27.6% non-white students at any particular institution, assuming no racial discrimination, etc. So then why is 40% non-white a desirable outcome? I thought the point was to compensate for exclusion / marginalization / discrimination, in which case the target should be that aforementioned 27.6%. EDIT: since many people are replying to me saying that using the national demographic stats is a bad thing to do, I will use the stats for GP's state, which appears to be Virginia. Using these stats (94.2% white), you would expect the school to have only 5.8% non-white students, assuming a complete lack of racial discrimination compared to the state population. I personally still think using the national stats is a better idea, as the goal of a college / university should not be to only educate people from the state it is located in.
- mikeatgl 7y ago
  "The White, non-Hispanic or Latino population make up 61.3% of the nation's total, with the total White population (including White Hispanics and Latinos) being 76.9%." - Wikipedia "White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent: 60.4%" - census.gov
  - fastball 7y ago
    What is your point? Hispanics/latinos can be identified as white. The percent of people in the US that are white by the 2010 census definition is 72.4%.
  - DeathArrow 7y ago
    But asians are in same boat as whites, lumped together in by the diversity promoters.
- battery_cowboy 7y ago
  Man, you twisted this comment so much to extract that message. The commenter is likely saying it's good that the campus is more representative, not that they're for the elimination of whites or some shit. Also, you don't know where they live. Where I come from, it's about 80 percent nonwhite. Before you comment, consider that the story you make up in your head isn't always the most likely. Edit: Hawaii has 25 percent whites, so my estimate was correct.
  - fastball 7y ago
    I am using national statistics given a lack of information by the GP. If the GP wants to update with a more accurate location, they are free to, and we can have this discussion with better accuracy. Without that, the "story in my head" is, in fact, the most likely.
    - battery_cowboy 7y ago
      Also: It doesn't even matter what statistics are correct, your assumption that the original commenter was celebrating antiwhite sentiment is absurd by itself. Original: You're using statistics for the whole USA. There are half a million people here, you're just regressing to the mean, some states have a larger percent nonwhite people. Hawaii has 25 percent whites, so my estimate was correct. Edit: also, your stats are wrong, see the other comment and get some perspective.
battery_cowboy 7y ago
I think costs are so high because every institution needs to spend more money each year to continue to grow, and growth has infected finance and academia like a virus, forcing us into a race to the bottom to continue to feed the growth death cult. Diversity is just a Boogeyman that those same cultists use as redirection from their own crimes because it's easy to convince people that the other guy is out to get you.
uk_programmer 7y ago
Why is it a good thing there is more non-white students? Why does it matter what ethnicity they are if they have the right grades to go there? I don't give a shit about someone's sex or race when working with someone, nor do I go around a room counting how many white co-workers I have. I am baffled by it.
- fakedang 7y ago
  Tbh, diversity only seems to be a thing in America (and slowly creeping into the UK). I think it's partly more pronounced there because your race is significantly correlated to your income levels, which determine your ability to go to college. Meanwhile, most of Europe is homogenous largely, and thus insusceptible to any effects from diversity issues. Even in the UK, the most diverse European country, except for some Windrush immigrants, most immigrant groups such as the South Asians have largely been able to transcend the income divide between white and non-white.
  - uk_programmer 7y ago
    In the UK there is a class divide (linked mostly to wealth but not entirely). Everyone that is naturalised or was born here is considered British no matter what their race is (the same applies to the French IIRC). Yes unfortunately people are bringing race into our politics which is a shame tbh because it is considered rude to mention someone's race in anything other than maybe describing their physical appearance (for the purposes of identification). If a student wants to go to University they are means tested which determines the amount of grants / loans they are entitled to. Race isn't a consideration only wealth (based on household income).
    - BrandoElFollito 7y ago
      In France wealth is secondary to the place you live in and where you come from (in terms of divisions in the nation). Of course if you have French nationality your "race" does not matter (there are no programs for minorities) but the reality is, also of course, different. Looking at the last 40 years, I wrote say that Islamism has become the greatest divider (for 10 or 20 years now). This was a non-subject when I was a kid in the 80's.
DeathArrow 7y ago
>But today a good chunk, 40% maybe, of the student body is, to my eye, nonwhite. I don't know how much of that can be ascribed to the diversity officer but it is IMHO a very good thing. You can do better by rejecting all whites, asians. You can allow them to donate though, so you have more money for diversity programs.

shard972 7y ago

Is it good when minorities are over-represented? meaning some white students are being discriminated against?

thundergolfer 7y ago

There certainly seemed to be an over-abundance of jabs at Diversity and Inclusion programs and staff. They’re surely a very small minority of the admin bloat, and they pursue a noble goal. It wasn’t that surprising to see Jared Taylor being recommended in the comments, given the subject matter and conservative angle this piece has.

fastball 7y ago

The US is 72.4% white. You would then expect there to be 27.6% non-white students at any particular institution, assuming no racial discrimination, etc. So then why is 40% non-white a desirable outcome? I thought the point was to compensate for exclusion / marginalization / discrimination, in which case the target should be that aforementioned 27.6%. EDIT: since many people are replying to me saying that using the national demographic stats is a bad thing to do, I will use the stats for GP's state, which appears to be Virginia. Using these stats (94.2% white), you would expect the school to have only 5.8% non-white students, assuming a complete lack of racial discrimination compared to the state population. I personally still think using the national stats is a better idea, as the goal of a college / university should not be to only educate people from the state it is located in.

mikeatgl 7y ago
"The White, non-Hispanic or Latino population make up 61.3% of the nation's total, with the total White population (including White Hispanics and Latinos) being 76.9%." - Wikipedia "White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent: 60.4%" - census.gov
- fastball 7y ago
  What is your point? Hispanics/latinos can be identified as white. The percent of people in the US that are white by the 2010 census definition is 72.4%.
- DeathArrow 7y ago
  But asians are in same boat as whites, lumped together in by the diversity promoters.
battery_cowboy 7y ago
Man, you twisted this comment so much to extract that message. The commenter is likely saying it's good that the campus is more representative, not that they're for the elimination of whites or some shit. Also, you don't know where they live. Where I come from, it's about 80 percent nonwhite. Before you comment, consider that the story you make up in your head isn't always the most likely. Edit: Hawaii has 25 percent whites, so my estimate was correct.
- fastball 7y ago
  I am using national statistics given a lack of information by the GP. If the GP wants to update with a more accurate location, they are free to, and we can have this discussion with better accuracy. Without that, the "story in my head" is, in fact, the most likely.
  - battery_cowboy 7y ago
    Also: It doesn't even matter what statistics are correct, your assumption that the original commenter was celebrating antiwhite sentiment is absurd by itself. Original: You're using statistics for the whole USA. There are half a million people here, you're just regressing to the mean, some states have a larger percent nonwhite people. Hawaii has 25 percent whites, so my estimate was correct. Edit: also, your stats are wrong, see the other comment and get some perspective.

battery_cowboy 7y ago

I think costs are so high because every institution needs to spend more money each year to continue to grow, and growth has infected finance and academia like a virus, forcing us into a race to the bottom to continue to feed the growth death cult. Diversity is just a Boogeyman that those same cultists use as redirection from their own crimes because it's easy to convince people that the other guy is out to get you.

uk_programmer 7y ago

Why is it a good thing there is more non-white students? Why does it matter what ethnicity they are if they have the right grades to go there? I don't give a shit about someone's sex or race when working with someone, nor do I go around a room counting how many white co-workers I have. I am baffled by it.

fakedang 7y ago
Tbh, diversity only seems to be a thing in America (and slowly creeping into the UK). I think it's partly more pronounced there because your race is significantly correlated to your income levels, which determine your ability to go to college. Meanwhile, most of Europe is homogenous largely, and thus insusceptible to any effects from diversity issues. Even in the UK, the most diverse European country, except for some Windrush immigrants, most immigrant groups such as the South Asians have largely been able to transcend the income divide between white and non-white.
- uk_programmer 7y ago
  In the UK there is a class divide (linked mostly to wealth but not entirely). Everyone that is naturalised or was born here is considered British no matter what their race is (the same applies to the French IIRC). Yes unfortunately people are bringing race into our politics which is a shame tbh because it is considered rude to mention someone's race in anything other than maybe describing their physical appearance (for the purposes of identification). If a student wants to go to University they are means tested which determines the amount of grants / loans they are entitled to. Race isn't a consideration only wealth (based on household income).
  - BrandoElFollito 7y ago
    In France wealth is secondary to the place you live in and where you come from (in terms of divisions in the nation). Of course if you have French nationality your "race" does not matter (there are no programs for minorities) but the reality is, also of course, different. Looking at the last 40 years, I wrote say that Islamism has become the greatest divider (for 10 or 20 years now). This was a non-subject when I was a kid in the 80's.

DeathArrow 7y ago

>But today a good chunk, 40% maybe, of the student body is, to my eye, nonwhite. I don't know how much of that can be ascribed to the diversity officer but it is IMHO a very good thing. You can do better by rejecting all whites, asians. You can allow them to donate though, so you have more money for diversity programs.