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This really sucks. Can’t use the new Xcode without Catalina but this release sounds so buggy.

by msie 7y ago

cutler 7y ago
Yes, there's no way Catalina is ever going on any of my machines. Apple has hit a real low-point with this release.
- tonyedgecombe 7y ago
  Just an anecdote but it's been rock solid for me and fixed a number of issues I had with Mojave.
  - dddddaviddddd 7y ago
    Which issues?
    - tonyedgecombe 7y ago
      Mostly to do with recognising an external monitor.
      - gmac 7y ago
        Oh, that’s interesting. I’ve recently had to switch to using the HDMI instead of the Mini DisplayPort to connect a 4K monitor to my mid-2014 MBP, since it wasn’t being recognised (which also means dropping from 60fps to 30). Wasn’t sure if this was related to an update. Are your symptoms similar?
  - aganame 7y ago
    Ditto. My worst problem has been that some games on Steam claim they don’t work on Mojave... but they do.
    - adanto6840 7y ago
      This is due to Steam adding a new checkbox that requires the game's developer to specifically click an extra checkbox to signify compatibility with Catalina (and optionally, specify if the binary is notarized and/or signed [don't recall which, or is possibly both]). Steam almost always already knows if the game has a '64-bit macOS depot' configured -- ie ships 64-bit binary for macOS -- though in some cases the 'depot' may be configured as "macOS - All" in which case Steam may not know for sure. When Catalina released, they defaulted the checkbox to "No" regardless of the game depot configuration. Any remotely recent game that supports macOS almost certainly is shipping a 64-bit binary (been quite a while since OSX was 32-bit only) -- so odds are very good that games supporting macOS will work with macOS Catalina, at least likely for anything in the last 5 years if not longer. In our case, it took several weeks to find the checkbox to update our store page. In all fairness, Valve sent out an email alerting of the concern ahead of time; we just didn't read it thoroughly enough to realize that the default setting would be "No" even when explicitly having a 64-bit macOS binary configured.
      - toyg 7y ago
        You clearly over-estimate your competitors. Plenty of games I have, will not work on Catalina - they are 32bit apps and devs have long moved on.
      - jfkebwjsbx 7y ago
        There are plenty of games that are 32-bit only, even recent ones. Apple killed them all for no reason.
  - Aaargh20318 7y ago
    Same here, no issues whatsoever. You hear these complaints with every macOS release, but they are probably a very small vocal minority. I've never run into any of the reported problems nor have my 20-odd colleagues.
apple4ever 7y ago
I just found that out. Definitely stupid. I’ve been avoiding Catalina because of report after report of how buggy it is. For example, emails disappearing and can’t SSH on a custom port are still problems even with 10.15.4.
dan_hawkins 7y ago
Have you tried this [1] to enable XCode? [1] https://github.com/cormiertyshawn895/Retroactive https://github.com/cormiertyshawn895/Retroactive

This really sucks. Can’t use the new Xcode without Catalina but this release sounds so buggy.

by msie 7y ago

This really sucks. Can’t use the new Xcode without Catalina but this release sounds so buggy.

cutler 7y ago

Yes, there's no way Catalina is ever going on any of my machines. Apple has hit a real low-point with this release.

tonyedgecombe 7y ago
Just an anecdote but it's been rock solid for me and fixed a number of issues I had with Mojave.
- dddddaviddddd 7y ago
  Which issues?
  - tonyedgecombe 7y ago
    Mostly to do with recognising an external monitor.
    - gmac 7y ago
      Oh, that’s interesting. I’ve recently had to switch to using the HDMI instead of the Mini DisplayPort to connect a 4K monitor to my mid-2014 MBP, since it wasn’t being recognised (which also means dropping from 60fps to 30). Wasn’t sure if this was related to an update. Are your symptoms similar?
- aganame 7y ago
  Ditto. My worst problem has been that some games on Steam claim they don’t work on Mojave... but they do.
  - adanto6840 7y ago
    This is due to Steam adding a new checkbox that requires the game's developer to specifically click an extra checkbox to signify compatibility with Catalina (and optionally, specify if the binary is notarized and/or signed [don't recall which, or is possibly both]). Steam almost always already knows if the game has a '64-bit macOS depot' configured -- ie ships 64-bit binary for macOS -- though in some cases the 'depot' may be configured as "macOS - All" in which case Steam may not know for sure. When Catalina released, they defaulted the checkbox to "No" regardless of the game depot configuration. Any remotely recent game that supports macOS almost certainly is shipping a 64-bit binary (been quite a while since OSX was 32-bit only) -- so odds are very good that games supporting macOS will work with macOS Catalina, at least likely for anything in the last 5 years if not longer. In our case, it took several weeks to find the checkbox to update our store page. In all fairness, Valve sent out an email alerting of the concern ahead of time; we just didn't read it thoroughly enough to realize that the default setting would be "No" even when explicitly having a 64-bit macOS binary configured.
    - toyg 7y ago
      You clearly over-estimate your competitors. Plenty of games I have, will not work on Catalina - they are 32bit apps and devs have long moved on.
    - jfkebwjsbx 7y ago
      There are plenty of games that are 32-bit only, even recent ones. Apple killed them all for no reason.
- Aaargh20318 7y ago
  Same here, no issues whatsoever. You hear these complaints with every macOS release, but they are probably a very small vocal minority. I've never run into any of the reported problems nor have my 20-odd colleagues.

apple4ever 7y ago

I just found that out. Definitely stupid. I’ve been avoiding Catalina because of report after report of how buggy it is. For example, emails disappearing and can’t SSH on a custom port are still problems even with 10.15.4.

dan_hawkins 7y ago

Have you tried this [1] to enable XCode? [1] https://github.com/cormiertyshawn895/Retroactive https://github.com/cormiertyshawn895/Retroactive