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That exists, e.g. Freifunk ("free radio", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freifunk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freifunk) is a collection of open wifi mesh netwo
by Ao7bei3s 6y ago
That exists, e.g. Freifunk ("free radio", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freifunk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freifunk) is a collection of open wifi mesh networks in major German cities. The larger ones of these meshes have several thousands of nodes. It is community operated (ie, anyone can participate, though in practice technical issues are driven by technical people and important backbone infrastructure is done with professional hardware).
It has an ideological focus on local services, but really what most users use it for is just internet access.
And the question is - as a service operator, why would you want to limit something to local people and spotty mesh networking tech, when you could put it on the internet where it can be available to everyone?
You're looking at it constructively (add a service for the local community), but from my perspective, availability on the internet is the default, and if there's a local mesh network that encourages people to offer services on the local mesh in particular, that is taking something away that could have been offered on the internet.
In a way this is similar to net neutrality - the content should not be tied to the network or vice versa.
Obviously over the years that's been a constant point of discussion/contention within the Freifunk community as well, and in general there has been some contention between ideology and technical reality (for example, ideologically, open mesh networks are obviously superior due to fault tolerance and democratized control. But in practice, and in particular the way the real Freifunk meshes are built, things are less decentralized than one would naively expect, the mesh links are unreliable, lossy, bandwidth-constrained, and high latency/jitter, the mesh protocols like batman-adv don't scale well, broadcast spam and management traffic overhead are real problems, etc. - Ideologically there should be no central control, but practically practically you have to have a blessed firmware for interoperability reasons, or if you offer internet access someone needs to control the AS and IP ranges etc.)
- jedieaston 6y agoIt'd probably be used in a place where internet access is infeasible (much like amateur radio is used sometimes). The kiwix project provides an example of this, where you download a compressed (either with or without images, without is a bit smaller) version of Wikipedia which is then served over the wireless NIC in a Raspberry Pi, which is handy if the internet isn't available (for example, in schools in developing areas). https://www.kiwix.org/en/downloads/kiwix-hotspot/ https://www.kiwix.org/en/downloads/kiwix-hotspot/
- state_less 6y agoI was thinking of places where internet access is not available, not affordable, limited/censored or routing to the internet is not allowed/legal. I'd welcome routing to the internet as an additional service or if routing to other radios was available. Personally, I'm in a number of anchorages where I can see other WiFi beacons, but they are secured and not setup to share anything. I'd like to open up an AP or adhoc network and enable voice and text over more than VHF. Basically, if someone wants to chat with me or read my library, they can. VHF is still a nice fallback though. Kiwix looks like a nice project. Thanks for the link.