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Well, the decision covers the fact google search is a monopoly. Not google news. Google, being in a monopoly position in terms of search, can forces newspaper t

Well, the decision covers the fact google search is a monopoly. Not google news. Google, being in a monopoly position in terms of search, can forces newspaper to provide their data for free, which is unfair. If google wasn't in a monopoly (for search), it wouldn't be a problem. So, yes, indeed, Google can stop providing search for the whole France.

JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> Google, being in a monopoly position in terms of search, can forces newspaper to provide their data for free, which is unfair It should be able to just de-list news sources for French searchers. Again, I can’t see this surviving a non-French EU court. If it did, zeroing resources to crawling French news sites would be a reasonable response. All that said, this is a silly way to go about subsidising local news. If France wants its newspapers, subsidise them. Don’t force an American company to provide you with a service and then make them pay for it.
- Reventlov 6y ago
  >If France wants its newspapers, subsidise them. It's already done, let's note.
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imgabe 6y ago
The newspapers are providing their data for free to anyone who visits their website, assuming it's not behind a paywall. Google isn't forcing them to do that. If they want people to have to pay for it, make that a requirement of visiting the site.
- ocdtrekkie 6y ago
  Many do. However, then Google punishes their search rankings for having a paywall. Forcing them to offer their data for free if they want to show up in search.
  - CamperBob2 6y ago
    So, they should start their own news search engine. Problem solved.
  - imgabe 6y ago
    Then they should not be dependent on search traffic. The fact is, despite some politicians declaring it a fundamental right, the news does not provide enough value to most people for them to pay for it. There is an absolute glut of content out there, way way more than anybody wants or needs. Much of it is less than worthless, it's actually of negative value because it's designed to hijack your attention. Remove the infusion of ad money that is producing this, let it settle to the things that people are actually willing to pay for, and we'll all be better off.
  - droithomme 6y ago
    The newspapers should pay Google if they want to be listed.
  - zajio1am 6y ago
    As a search engine user i am glad for that, as websites behind paywall are useless for me. If i pay for a news site, i would go directly to it, and i would not care about hundreds of other paywalled results that i would not pay for.
droithomme 6y ago
> the fact google search is a monopoly Except it's not. I never use Google, I use DuckDuckGo. If DDG fails I try Bing. I have google and facebook domains blocked from access in my system because I don't like their tracking. Lots of other people search without Google. Google is simply not a monopoly in the search game.
- ocdtrekkie 6y ago
  Google has over 90% of search market share in Europe. The statement that Google is a monopoly isn't really debatable. And the fact that you can use another search engine doesn't change the power Google has, because everyone else uses Google. So your website has to play by Google's rules if you want to be found.
  - droithomme 6y ago
    > The statement that Google is a monopoly isn't really debatable. OK, let's not debate. We'll just agree that the statement is empirically false.
    - slavak 6y ago
      A monopoly is not _just_ a company that controls 100% of the market. If pure monopolies were the only kind the term referred to it would be all but useless. https://bizfluent.com/about-6601606-monopoly-economics-.html https://bizfluent.com/about-6601606-monopoly-economics-.html

JumpCrisscross 6y ago

> Google, being in a monopoly position in terms of search, can forces newspaper to provide their data for free, which is unfair It should be able to just de-list news sources for French searchers. Again, I can’t see this surviving a non-French EU court. If it did, zeroing resources to crawling French news sites would be a reasonable response. All that said, this is a silly way to go about subsidising local news. If France wants its newspapers, subsidise them. Don’t force an American company to provide you with a service and then make them pay for it.

Reventlov 6y ago
>If France wants its newspapers, subsidise them. It's already done, let's note.
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imgabe 6y ago

The newspapers are providing their data for free to anyone who visits their website, assuming it's not behind a paywall. Google isn't forcing them to do that. If they want people to have to pay for it, make that a requirement of visiting the site.

ocdtrekkie 6y ago
Many do. However, then Google punishes their search rankings for having a paywall. Forcing them to offer their data for free if they want to show up in search.
- CamperBob2 6y ago
  So, they should start their own news search engine. Problem solved.
- imgabe 6y ago
  Then they should not be dependent on search traffic. The fact is, despite some politicians declaring it a fundamental right, the news does not provide enough value to most people for them to pay for it. There is an absolute glut of content out there, way way more than anybody wants or needs. Much of it is less than worthless, it's actually of negative value because it's designed to hijack your attention. Remove the infusion of ad money that is producing this, let it settle to the things that people are actually willing to pay for, and we'll all be better off.
- droithomme 6y ago
  The newspapers should pay Google if they want to be listed.
- zajio1am 6y ago
  As a search engine user i am glad for that, as websites behind paywall are useless for me. If i pay for a news site, i would go directly to it, and i would not care about hundreds of other paywalled results that i would not pay for.

droithomme 6y ago

> the fact google search is a monopoly Except it's not. I never use Google, I use DuckDuckGo. If DDG fails I try Bing. I have google and facebook domains blocked from access in my system because I don't like their tracking. Lots of other people search without Google. Google is simply not a monopoly in the search game.

ocdtrekkie 6y ago
Google has over 90% of search market share in Europe. The statement that Google is a monopoly isn't really debatable. And the fact that you can use another search engine doesn't change the power Google has, because everyone else uses Google. So your website has to play by Google's rules if you want to be found.
- droithomme 6y ago
  > The statement that Google is a monopoly isn't really debatable. OK, let's not debate. We'll just agree that the statement is empirically false.
  - slavak 6y ago
    A monopoly is not _just_ a company that controls 100% of the market. If pure monopolies were the only kind the term referred to it would be all but useless. https://bizfluent.com/about-6601606-monopoly-economics-.html https://bizfluent.com/about-6601606-monopoly-economics-.html