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Google News doesn't have ads. In fact, its primary purpose appears to be to drive traffic to publisher's sites, which do have ads (presumably Google hopes they

by ac29 7y ago

Google News doesn't have ads. In fact, its primary purpose appears to be to drive traffic to publisher's sites, which do have ads (presumably Google hopes they are Google ads).

pdkl95 7y ago
> Google News doesn't have ads A traditional abuse of monopoly power is providing a good or service at a loss to gain control of a new market.
- bryanrasmussen 7y ago
  how long has Google news been running, I would think they had control of that market long ago if that's what they were aiming for.
  - pdkl95 7y ago
    Indeed they have had control of that market for some time. Being a dominant position over a market generally isn't illegal, but most antitrust laws put restrictions on how that monopoly power can be used.
- qnsi 7y ago
  No. In traditional sense it's having higher not lower price, forcing buyers to pay more. Monopoly by definition already has 100% of the market
  - pdkl95 7y ago
    > it's having higher not lower price, forcing buyers to pay more. Exerting control over a market to raise prices is another traditional method for abusing monopoly power. This isn't what Google is doing re: news. The method I'm referring to is where Google uses their existing monopoly position in one market (search) to exert control over another market (news publishing). See "predatory pricing", "dumping". > Monopoly by definition already has 100% of the market That is one definition. Other definitions are based on having the power to control a market, which doesn't always require having a particular share of a market.
criddell 7y ago
You don't think Google News has any value to Google?
- bagacrap 7y ago
  This interpretation of the law says that Google must pay for the right to direct traffic to a publisher who is running some other ad network's ads (or uses a subscription model). No, I do not think this arrangement has any value to Google, in fact it is obviously negative value.
  - criddell 7y ago
    It isn't obvious to me at all. When you visit a newspaper site via a Google link, Google uses that information to build a more complete profile of you and of what the broader public is interested in right now. Those signals are valuable to Google.

by ac29 7y ago

Google News doesn't have ads. In fact, its primary purpose appears to be to drive traffic to publisher's sites, which do have ads (presumably Google hopes they are Google ads).

pdkl95 7y ago

> Google News doesn't have ads A traditional abuse of monopoly power is providing a good or service at a loss to gain control of a new market.

bryanrasmussen 7y ago
how long has Google news been running, I would think they had control of that market long ago if that's what they were aiming for.
- pdkl95 7y ago
  Indeed they have had control of that market for some time. Being a dominant position over a market generally isn't illegal, but most antitrust laws put restrictions on how that monopoly power can be used.
qnsi 7y ago
No. In traditional sense it's having higher not lower price, forcing buyers to pay more. Monopoly by definition already has 100% of the market
- pdkl95 7y ago
  > it's having higher not lower price, forcing buyers to pay more. Exerting control over a market to raise prices is another traditional method for abusing monopoly power. This isn't what Google is doing re: news. The method I'm referring to is where Google uses their existing monopoly position in one market (search) to exert control over another market (news publishing). See "predatory pricing", "dumping". > Monopoly by definition already has 100% of the market That is one definition. Other definitions are based on having the power to control a market, which doesn't always require having a particular share of a market.

criddell 7y ago

You don't think Google News has any value to Google?

bagacrap 7y ago
This interpretation of the law says that Google must pay for the right to direct traffic to a publisher who is running some other ad network's ads (or uses a subscription model). No, I do not think this arrangement has any value to Google, in fact it is obviously negative value.
- criddell 7y ago
  It isn't obvious to me at all. When you visit a newspaper site via a Google link, Google uses that information to build a more complete profile of you and of what the broader public is interested in right now. Those signals are valuable to Google.