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> Given that hospitals are running out of PPE They aren't. You're being fed fake news. Hospital admissions and ICU admissions in NY are _way_ down. Nobody is r

by m0zg 7y ago

> Given that hospitals are running out of PPE They aren't. You're being fed fake news. Hospital admissions and ICU admissions in NY are _way_ down. Nobody is running out of PPE. If you're going to dispute this, please provide a credible source familiar with the situation on the ground. My source is governor Cuomo: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/were-ok-andrew-cuomo-says-new-york-is-comfortable-with-supply-of-ventilators-and-protective-equipment https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/were-ok-andrew-cuomo.... Don't bother pasting that teary eyed nurse who was "forced to work without PPE". That's fake news. Look it up. She's not a nurse, she's an Instagram "influencer". > regular movements of going over speed bumps and potholes become potentially life threatening Yes. Move them ahead of time, before they need intubation. Seems like people are in some kind of a stupor there. These are pretty obvious things.

akiselev 7y ago
> Hospital admissions and ICU admissions in NY are _way_ down. They aren't. You're being fed fake news. If you're going to dispute this, please provide a credible source familiar with the situation on the ground. > Nobody is running out of PPE. If you're going to dispute this, please provide a credible source familiar with the situation on the ground. From a New York City Department of Health advisory to NYC doctors, dated March 20, 2020 [1]: Like other jurisdictions with general community transmission of COVID-19, New York City (NYC) is facing a critical shortage of PPE Your source's factuality is rated as "mixed" on MBFC [2]. Given their low bar, that's basically propaganda and a quick perusal confirms that this is a media organization most fond of rhetorical tactics like emotionally loaded language and one sided coverage than they are of facts, a defining features of manipulative "fake news,". Anyway, let's focus on the actual content of that article: the tiny video clip of the New York state governor's press conference at the bottom, shot less than 24 hours ago. When a reporter asks Cuomo about the PPE situation he says: "If you ask any hospital 'do you have enough PPE?' they will say no. It's like asking a budget director 'do you have enough revenue?' They will say no. And these hospitals are accustomed to having one month or two months stockpile. They're now looking at several days of stockpile. So they are all uncomfortable. But, we only have several days for any hospital and we do have several days for every hospital and we do have a supply that is coming in so compared to how we have been operating on this new dire circumstances, we are relatively comfortable with ventilators and PPE if, big IF, big I, big F, if the hospitalization rate stays down, which will only happen if we continue to do what we need to do." I wasn't born yesterday so you'll have to excuse me for interpreting that as press conference bullshit. Any politician worth his salt with an adequate PPE supply would have used that golden opportunity for a display of confidence, not hem and haw about budget directors. Especially if that politician is overseeing the country's financial center. But why stop there? Before someone could even ask the next question, Melissa DeRosa (Secretary to the Governor) interrupts to add: "If I could just make one caveat, there are certain hospitals that we get anecdotal reports on that are continuing to operate under the crisis conservation guidelines on PPE, where they ask people to wear PPE for days at a time versus what the ordinary protocol is and as we're hearing those reports we are reaching out to the hospitals and making sure they have the supply so that they don't have to operate that way." Note that she doesn't say that those hospitals are operating incorrectly because there is no shortage, but that they are still in the process of supplying those hospitals. They wouldn't have to do any of this if there wasn't a shortage, although maybe that's just a little more obvious to someone with actual clinical experience. I think you've been focusing too much on "Instagram influencers," "teary eyed nurses", and ideological conflicts. I strongly recommend limiting your information intake to official (on Google: "site:gov") or academic ("site:edu" or Google Scholar) sources. [1] https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/han/advisory/2020/covid-19-03202020.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/han/advisory/2... [2] https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/
- m0zg 7y ago
  Facepalm. Your PDF is from March 20th. Watch recent Cuomo's pressers from the past few days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prq-RZfDO8Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prq-RZfDO8Y. Skip to 13:23 or so to see the chart, followed by ICU admissions chart. Didn't read the rest of your message, sorry. You're being gaslit.
  - akiselev 7y ago
    You mean the charts labelled change in total hospital/ICU admissions? Based on your folkloric grasp of the English language, you have clearly misinterpreted those graphs. Hint: key words are "change" and "total".
    - m0zg 7y ago
      "Change" here means "hospitalizations per day", which is exactly what I meant. Seems like it's your grasp of the English language that's "folkloric", not mine. NY no longer projects that they will need anywhere near the capacity they already have. Cuomo, BTW, then proceeds to talk about how models were total horseshit. He doesn't quite characterize them as such, choosing instead to give credit to his own response, but nearly all of the models he quotes assumed the current levels of mitigation.
    - mlvljr 7y ago
      Aren't both of you guys of ex-USSR origin though? :)
  - DanBC 7y ago
    Why might admissions to hospital be dropping? Because the hospitals are full? From your video, 14:00 "This is a little deceptive, because at one time hospitals had discrete ICU wards or ICU beds. Effectively now in a hospital all the beds are ICU beds".
    - m0zg 7y ago
      But ICU admissions are also dropping and going negative. That is, fewer people are admitted than discharged. And according to frontline medics, everyone who needs an ICU bed gets an ICU bed.

by m0zg 7y ago

akiselev 7y ago

> Hospital admissions and ICU admissions in NY are _way_ down. They aren't. You're being fed fake news. If you're going to dispute this, please provide a credible source familiar with the situation on the ground. > Nobody is running out of PPE. If you're going to dispute this, please provide a credible source familiar with the situation on the ground. From a New York City Department of Health advisory to NYC doctors, dated March 20, 2020 [1]: Like other jurisdictions with general community transmission of COVID-19, New York City (NYC) is facing a critical shortage of PPE Your source's factuality is rated as "mixed" on MBFC [2]. Given their low bar, that's basically propaganda and a quick perusal confirms that this is a media organization most fond of rhetorical tactics like emotionally loaded language and one sided coverage than they are of facts, a defining features of manipulative "fake news,". Anyway, let's focus on the actual content of that article: the tiny video clip of the New York state governor's press conference at the bottom, shot less than 24 hours ago. When a reporter asks Cuomo about the PPE situation he says: "If you ask any hospital 'do you have enough PPE?' they will say no. It's like asking a budget director 'do you have enough revenue?' They will say no. And these hospitals are accustomed to having one month or two months stockpile. They're now looking at several days of stockpile. So they are all uncomfortable. But, we only have several days for any hospital and we do have several days for every hospital and we do have a supply that is coming in so compared to how we have been operating on this new dire circumstances, we are relatively comfortable with ventilators and PPE if, big IF, big I, big F, if the hospitalization rate stays down, which will only happen if we continue to do what we need to do." I wasn't born yesterday so you'll have to excuse me for interpreting that as press conference bullshit. Any politician worth his salt with an adequate PPE supply would have used that golden opportunity for a display of confidence, not hem and haw about budget directors. Especially if that politician is overseeing the country's financial center. But why stop there? Before someone could even ask the next question, Melissa DeRosa (Secretary to the Governor) interrupts to add: "If I could just make one caveat, there are certain hospitals that we get anecdotal reports on that are continuing to operate under the crisis conservation guidelines on PPE, where they ask people to wear PPE for days at a time versus what the ordinary protocol is and as we're hearing those reports we are reaching out to the hospitals and making sure they have the supply so that they don't have to operate that way." Note that she doesn't say that those hospitals are operating incorrectly because there is no shortage, but that they are still in the process of supplying those hospitals. They wouldn't have to do any of this if there wasn't a shortage, although maybe that's just a little more obvious to someone with actual clinical experience. I think you've been focusing too much on "Instagram influencers," "teary eyed nurses", and ideological conflicts. I strongly recommend limiting your information intake to official (on Google: "site:gov") or academic ("site:edu" or Google Scholar) sources. [1] https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/han/advisory/2020/covid-19-03202020.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/han/advisory/2... [2] https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/

m0zg 7y ago
Facepalm. Your PDF is from March 20th. Watch recent Cuomo's pressers from the past few days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prq-RZfDO8Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prq-RZfDO8Y. Skip to 13:23 or so to see the chart, followed by ICU admissions chart. Didn't read the rest of your message, sorry. You're being gaslit.
- akiselev 7y ago
  You mean the charts labelled change in total hospital/ICU admissions? Based on your folkloric grasp of the English language, you have clearly misinterpreted those graphs. Hint: key words are "change" and "total".
  - m0zg 7y ago
    "Change" here means "hospitalizations per day", which is exactly what I meant. Seems like it's your grasp of the English language that's "folkloric", not mine. NY no longer projects that they will need anywhere near the capacity they already have. Cuomo, BTW, then proceeds to talk about how models were total horseshit. He doesn't quite characterize them as such, choosing instead to give credit to his own response, but nearly all of the models he quotes assumed the current levels of mitigation.
  - mlvljr 7y ago
    Aren't both of you guys of ex-USSR origin though? :)
- DanBC 7y ago
  Why might admissions to hospital be dropping? Because the hospitals are full? From your video, 14:00 "This is a little deceptive, because at one time hospitals had discrete ICU wards or ICU beds. Effectively now in a hospital all the beds are ICU beds".
  - m0zg 7y ago
    But ICU admissions are also dropping and going negative. That is, fewer people are admitted than discharged. And according to frontline medics, everyone who needs an ICU bed gets an ICU bed.