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binarymaster 6y ago
ReactOS is in the interest of many people including cybersecurity professionals and reverse engineers.
jchw 6y ago
> Q: Why this isn't reported directly to ReactOS devs? A: Because I don't value this project as worth for any kind of official reports. Twenty years of unworkable alpha. Pff. This is my report. Part 1. You either fix your ridiculous bugs or GTFO. This is how I work. How pleasant. > Second one is about "we never used anything from MS blah blah blah" is an obvious lie for saving face and it is working only with partially brain dead audience This claim is made all the time but it does baffle me that despite all the work they put into showing how badly ReactOS sucks, they couldn’t put a modicum of effort into the code theft allegation. I guess I must be braindead for not assuming it’s stolen code. All in all I think ReactOS is interesting enough that it is a bit unwarranted how pessimistic people get. Most of us have long realized it will probably never be a viable desktop OS and that is not really a big deal because it’s still fun to mess with and read about.
- gridlockd 6y ago
  > Most of us have long realized it will probably never be a viable desktop OS and that is not really a big deal because it’s still fun to mess with and read about. I feel the same about Desktop Linux, except I don't find it fun to mess with anymore.
  - jchw 6y ago
    Linux is a viable desktop OS. ReactOS is not. It's definitely going to come down to opinions, but the difference in my opinion is I am typing to you from Linux (and use only Linux, no VMs, as my desktop OS, even at work) and I don't think anyone here is typing on a daily driver running ReactOS. I don't enjoy everything about desktop Linux, but in an age where Windows 10 and macOS feel borderline hostile I don't really see much of an option. I do at least think there's a lot of interesting work going on with Linux, like NixOS and GuixSD, that are totally worth exploring.
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    - DeathArrow 6y ago
      Windows and macOS just work and don't need constant tinkering and fixing stuff. Also, Windows runs all software I need, desktop Linux does not.
      - unixhero 6y ago
        Yes Linux just works.
      - jchw 6y ago
        I didn’t tell you to use Linux.
      - rvz 6y ago
        > Windows and macOS just work and don't need constant tinkering and fixing stuff. I agree with this. After even finding the time to 'try out' many Linux distos and dual-booting Ubuntu for a long time, I keep finding myself always going back to macOS since the keyboard shortcuts just work everywhere without diving into the dotfiles or apt-getting a missing package to fix it or even Googling a weird X11 error that could be specific to my setup. The last thing I want to do is end up spending days customising, playing around or fixing annoying issues with my computer just to get to work. I don't need to do this often with macOS and Windows. Some Linux distros however....
  - throwaway4585 6y ago
    Linux is a fine desktop OS. Been using it for near 10 years now, can't see myself going back to Windows.
    - rnd0 6y ago
      Funny, I'm the opposite. I used to switch between the two for about 15 years or so but these days I'm tired of dealing with issues around Linux hardware drivers each release; so I've settled into just using windows. When I want the nix experience, I'll get it on VirtualBox (I don't count WSL, personally; though I do use it)
    - rvz 6y ago
      Maybe a fine desktop for the top 1% of people (developers) where as over 99% of general users in the world regularly use Windows and macOS. General users mostly need the proprietary software to do their basic work. Some want Microsoft® Office (Especially Excel®, not LibreOffice Calc), others want Adobe® software, another needs Autodesk 3DS Max and they don't want to play with their OS if something is broken which is what you'll always get with a Linux distro. No person can take desktop Linux seriously if they still ask about this software still being missing in Linux. It's back to macOS and Windows for them.
      - non-entity 6y ago
        It's actually kinda surprising how many developer tools I play with that either only run on Windows or clearly have Linux as an afterthought.
      - zenlot 6y ago
        Have you heard about Office365? Been using Linux in corporate world with Outlook, Word and Excel via web. Never had problems with it.

binarymaster 6y ago

ReactOS is in the interest of many people including cybersecurity professionals and reverse engineers.

jchw 6y ago

> Q: Why this isn't reported directly to ReactOS devs? A: Because I don't value this project as worth for any kind of official reports. Twenty years of unworkable alpha. Pff. This is my report. Part 1. You either fix your ridiculous bugs or GTFO. This is how I work. How pleasant. > Second one is about "we never used anything from MS blah blah blah" is an obvious lie for saving face and it is working only with partially brain dead audience This claim is made all the time but it does baffle me that despite all the work they put into showing how badly ReactOS sucks, they couldn’t put a modicum of effort into the code theft allegation. I guess I must be braindead for not assuming it’s stolen code. All in all I think ReactOS is interesting enough that it is a bit unwarranted how pessimistic people get. Most of us have long realized it will probably never be a viable desktop OS and that is not really a big deal because it’s still fun to mess with and read about.

gridlockd 6y ago
> Most of us have long realized it will probably never be a viable desktop OS and that is not really a big deal because it’s still fun to mess with and read about. I feel the same about Desktop Linux, except I don't find it fun to mess with anymore.
- jchw 6y ago
  Linux is a viable desktop OS. ReactOS is not. It's definitely going to come down to opinions, but the difference in my opinion is I am typing to you from Linux (and use only Linux, no VMs, as my desktop OS, even at work) and I don't think anyone here is typing on a daily driver running ReactOS. I don't enjoy everything about desktop Linux, but in an age where Windows 10 and macOS feel borderline hostile I don't really see much of an option. I do at least think there's a lot of interesting work going on with Linux, like NixOS and GuixSD, that are totally worth exploring.
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  - DeathArrow 6y ago
    Windows and macOS just work and don't need constant tinkering and fixing stuff. Also, Windows runs all software I need, desktop Linux does not.
    - unixhero 6y ago
      Yes Linux just works.
    - jchw 6y ago
      I didn’t tell you to use Linux.
    - rvz 6y ago
      > Windows and macOS just work and don't need constant tinkering and fixing stuff. I agree with this. After even finding the time to 'try out' many Linux distos and dual-booting Ubuntu for a long time, I keep finding myself always going back to macOS since the keyboard shortcuts just work everywhere without diving into the dotfiles or apt-getting a missing package to fix it or even Googling a weird X11 error that could be specific to my setup. The last thing I want to do is end up spending days customising, playing around or fixing annoying issues with my computer just to get to work. I don't need to do this often with macOS and Windows. Some Linux distros however....
- throwaway4585 6y ago
  Linux is a fine desktop OS. Been using it for near 10 years now, can't see myself going back to Windows.
  - rnd0 6y ago
    Funny, I'm the opposite. I used to switch between the two for about 15 years or so but these days I'm tired of dealing with issues around Linux hardware drivers each release; so I've settled into just using windows. When I want the nix experience, I'll get it on VirtualBox (I don't count WSL, personally; though I do use it)
  - rvz 6y ago
    Maybe a fine desktop for the top 1% of people (developers) where as over 99% of general users in the world regularly use Windows and macOS. General users mostly need the proprietary software to do their basic work. Some want Microsoft® Office (Especially Excel®, not LibreOffice Calc), others want Adobe® software, another needs Autodesk 3DS Max and they don't want to play with their OS if something is broken which is what you'll always get with a Linux distro. No person can take desktop Linux seriously if they still ask about this software still being missing in Linux. It's back to macOS and Windows for them.
    - non-entity 6y ago
      It's actually kinda surprising how many developer tools I play with that either only run on Windows or clearly have Linux as an afterthought.
    - zenlot 6y ago
      Have you heard about Office365? Been using Linux in corporate world with Outlook, Word and Excel via web. Never had problems with it.