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this is very good point. "freedom" has always been chosen freedom by the ruling class, even in the u.s., and our system is no less authoritarian than any other.

this is very good point. "freedom" has always been chosen freedom by the ruling class, even in the u.s., and our system is no less authoritarian than any other. things are chosen for us much more than we'd like to admit.

thefounder 6y ago
>> even in the u.s., and our system is no less authoritarian than any other. Of course is not true. You can't compare the US with NK or China. Proof is the simple fact that you could write that comment without being censored and/or thrown in a jail cell.
- nikofeyn 6y ago
  it is true for things that matter. of course in china, there are stricter rules for citizens on speech and writings. however, who cares that i can tweet the president whatever i want within reason? is that freedom? i don't have any power or any effect. in the u.s., politicians cannot say what they want. everything they say is couched in layers to appease others in government. a former presidential nominee is basically an outcast for voting in a well-reasoned manner against party lines. people have been removed from office for even being perceived to be going against the president. don't equate choice of words and what products to buy with freedom. if you watch the documentary hypernormalization by adam curtis, you'll see that the west has created a different kind of control. it's a sort of chaotic control. if you increase the chaos, you reduce people's ability to differentiate between truth and not truth, which in turn increases the ability to control and manipulate. in my opinion, this method of control is much more sinister because it hides behind "look how we free are" and a supposedly free media. there is no one setup that defines all authoritarian powers.
  - thefounder 6y ago
    >> however, who cares that i can tweet the president whatever i want within reason? is that freedom? i don't have any power or any effect. I care. Of course it is freedom and it has power. Why do you think the authoritarian governments don't like it? What freedoms you have in China and not the US or Europe? Of course democracies are not perfect but they are a step forward compared with dictatorships. It's a big difference between manipulative politicans and dictators who put you in jail or even kill you if you don't agree with them.

thefounder 6y ago

>> even in the u.s., and our system is no less authoritarian than any other. Of course is not true. You can't compare the US with NK or China. Proof is the simple fact that you could write that comment without being censored and/or thrown in a jail cell.

nikofeyn 6y ago
it is true for things that matter. of course in china, there are stricter rules for citizens on speech and writings. however, who cares that i can tweet the president whatever i want within reason? is that freedom? i don't have any power or any effect. in the u.s., politicians cannot say what they want. everything they say is couched in layers to appease others in government. a former presidential nominee is basically an outcast for voting in a well-reasoned manner against party lines. people have been removed from office for even being perceived to be going against the president. don't equate choice of words and what products to buy with freedom. if you watch the documentary hypernormalization by adam curtis, you'll see that the west has created a different kind of control. it's a sort of chaotic control. if you increase the chaos, you reduce people's ability to differentiate between truth and not truth, which in turn increases the ability to control and manipulate. in my opinion, this method of control is much more sinister because it hides behind "look how we free are" and a supposedly free media. there is no one setup that defines all authoritarian powers.
- thefounder 6y ago
  >> however, who cares that i can tweet the president whatever i want within reason? is that freedom? i don't have any power or any effect. I care. Of course it is freedom and it has power. Why do you think the authoritarian governments don't like it? What freedoms you have in China and not the US or Europe? Of course democracies are not perfect but they are a step forward compared with dictatorships. It's a big difference between manipulative politicans and dictators who put you in jail or even kill you if you don't agree with them.