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They realized the plague could be transmitted by proximity. That's why most people shunned the dead and dying, except Christians. Arguably, we are overdoing o
by yters 7y ago
They realized the plague could be transmitted by proximity. That's why most people shunned the dead and dying, except Christians.
Arguably, we are overdoing our understanding of germs. It's very unlikely a mere church service would spread covid-19. People have to be practically coughing in each others face to spread it in a social gathering.
- vkou 7y agoOne person spread COVID-19 to 45 out of 60 other participants at a choral recital near where I live, before the lockdown was in place. All in the span of one recital. 2 of them are now dead. 3 more ended up in the hospital. They followed all the recommended pandemic safety procedures - there was no person-to-person contact, none of the attendees felt sick, there was no sneezing or coughing, everyone kept distance from eachother. Simply singing in the same room was enough to spread the virus.
- yters 7y agoI think it is this case of Skagit Valley chorale. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/corona... The chorus group was unfortunately in the much older category > The youngest of those sickened was 31, but they averaged 67, according to the health department. that is most susceptible to covid-19. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-se... AGE DEATH RATE 80+ years old 14.8% 70-79 years old 8.0% 60-69 years old 3.6% 50-59 years old 1.3% 40-49 years old 0.4% 30-39 years old 0.2% 20-29 years old 0.2% 10-19 years old 0.2% 0-9 years old no fatalities
- falcolas 7y agoAnd many of those who did not die were still infected and spread the disease to those they were closest to. If given a bowl of skittles and being told that 2% of them are poisonous to those over 50, would you then hand that bowl to your grandparents? Would you take them to a normally attended service and hand them out to everyone within 6’ of you?
- yters 7y agoIt seems that is a general problem of life. The flu is quite dangerous to the elderly, along with many other common diseases.
- falcolas 7y agoThe flu has a .02% fatality rate. Covid-19 has a 2% mortality rate. That's two orders of magnitude difference - 1 in five thousand versus 1 in fifty.
- yters 7y agoWe aren't quite sure about covid-19's fatality rate e.g. in countries that test outside those admitted to hospital, iceland and south korea, the fatality is less than 1%
- falcolas 7y agoEstimates put it between 1 and 3%, last I looked. The specific number doesn't change the magnitudes of difference in mortality rates between the two diseases - they can not be considered to be equivalent.
- DanBC 7y agoYou've said a couple of times that some people are more likely to get covid-19, but this is incorrect. Some people are more likely to have severe symptoms or be hospitalised or die, but we think anyone can catch it and spread it.
- yters 7y agoyes, good catch those who can catch it without problem, should, so they can develop immunity and be a buffer for the vulnerable
- exolymph 7y agoDidn't that choir all get it because they were singing together?
- earthshot 7y agoYep, the Skagit Valley Chorale had a single practice where they practiced social distancing in the room, but about 1/3 of the people who showed up caught covid and 4% of them died.
- claudeganon 7y agoThe South Korean outbreak was literally driven by church services from an infected religious sect?
- yters 7y agoIf you read about the religious sect, it has huge services where people have to sit on the floor because they are 'packed in like sardines'. Not quite the same as your typical church. So, maybe this could be an argument against the massive mega churches. But, not a blanket ban on all religious gatherings, period.
- elliekelly 7y agoIt can’t be that unlikely considering it’s already happen. Several times.
- andybak 7y agoYou seem to know more about transmission that the scientific community who are still trying to figure it out. Have you considered publishing a paper?
- yters 7y agoIt's already been done. https://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1498185.html https://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1498185.... 'These research findings have already provided some indication on how the virus works, as Streeck clarified: “There is no significant risk of catching the disease when you go shopping. Severe outbreaks of the infection were always a result of people being closer together over a longer period of time, for example the après- ski parties in Ischgl, Austria.” He could also not find any evidence of ‘living’ viruses on surfaces. “When we took samples from door handles, phones or toilets it has not been possible to cultivate the virus in the laboratory on the basis of these swabs….” “To actually 'get' the virus it would be necessary that someone coughs into their hand, immediately touches a door knob and then straight after that another person grasps the handle and goes on to touches their face.” Streeck therefore believes that there is little chance of transmission through contact with so-called contaminated surfaces.'
- andybak 7y agoAnd the discussion on the HN page where that was posted has plenty of dissenting opinion with references to back them up. I'm certainly not changing my behaviour based on that single study.
- yters 7y agoWould you mind linking to the HN discussion?
- falcolas 7y agoRemember, there are a few studies out there which also confirm the belief that vaccines cause autism.