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Can we all agree that even though the freedom of assembly is constitutionally protected right, it is a stupid idea to exercise it during a pandemic?
by daenz 7y ago
Can we all agree that even though the freedom of assembly is constitutionally protected right, it is a stupid idea to exercise it during a pandemic?
- knicholes 7y agoPersonally I think it's a stupid idea to worship in general, but within the context of a believer who believes that God blesses them for good actions and loves them, perhaps they feel like God will protect them. Or if they do die, they'll be rewarded handsomely for being true believers and dying as martyrs.
- abootstrapper 7y agoThey obviously haven't considered that maybe they'll be punished in the afterlife for knowingly endangering others for the sake of their own perceived salvation.
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- daenz 7y agoI'm not sure why you're speculating. There are plenty of resources online about why they are gathering, if you are actually curious.
- yters 7y agoIt is what the Catholic church did during the medieval ages for much worse plagues than we will ever face.
- ceejayoz 7y agoYou mean before the discovery of germs?
- yters 7y agoThey realized the plague could be transmitted by proximity. That's why most people shunned the dead and dying, except Christians. Arguably, we are overdoing our understanding of germs. It's very unlikely a mere church service would spread covid-19. People have to be practically coughing in each others face to spread it in a social gathering.
- vkou 7y agoOne person spread COVID-19 to 45 out of 60 other participants at a choral recital near where I live, before the lockdown was in place. All in the span of one recital. 2 of them are now dead. 3 more ended up in the hospital. They followed all the recommended pandemic safety procedures - there was no person-to-person contact, none of the attendees felt sick, there was no sneezing or coughing, everyone kept distance from eachother. Simply singing in the same room was enough to spread the virus.
- yters 7y agoI think it is this case of Skagit Valley chorale. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/corona... The chorus group was unfortunately in the much older category > The youngest of those sickened was 31, but they averaged 67, according to the health department. that is most susceptible to covid-19. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-se... AGE DEATH RATE 80+ years old 14.8% 70-79 years old 8.0% 60-69 years old 3.6% 50-59 years old 1.3% 40-49 years old 0.4% 30-39 years old 0.2% 20-29 years old 0.2% 10-19 years old 0.2% 0-9 years old no fatalities
- falcolas 7y agoAnd many of those who did not die were still infected and spread the disease to those they were closest to. If given a bowl of skittles and being told that 2% of them are poisonous to those over 50, would you then hand that bowl to your grandparents? Would you take them to a normally attended service and hand them out to everyone within 6’ of you?
- earthshot 7y agoNo we absolutely cannot. I prefer the American Convention on Human Rights, which states: The right of peaceful assembly, without arms, is recognized. No restrictions may be placed not the exercise of this right other than those imposed in comformity with the law and necessary in a democratic society in the interest of national security, public safety or public order, or to protect public health or morals or the rights or freedoms of others.
- daenz 7y agoI would love to be a dictator ruling over a country whose protected rights were defined so loosely. You would never get me out of power.
- earthshot 7y agoI, also, wish that you did not live in my country. Unfortunately, we're stuck with a whole bunch of you who don't understand what the Constitution says, and who get really mad whenever you find out that your extremely simplistic reading wasn't actually what it means. Thank you for using such a dumb reductio ad absurdum response to extremely clearly indicate that you're not serious, you're not informed, and that you have absolutely no fucking idea what rights Americans have. I hope that you and the rest of your family enjoy a large in-person Easter religious service.
- Gibbon1 7y agoConstitutionally protected rights aren't absolute though. And Churches are required to obey all sorts of laws already. Mundane the city can demand that a Church fix their leaking sewer lateral. And red tag their building if they don't.
- earthshot 7y agodang flagged and deleted this so I will repost: No, we cannot all agree on that. I prefer the American Convention on Human Rights, which states: The right of peaceful assembly, without arms, is recognized. No restrictions may be placed not the exercise of this right other than those imposed in comformity with the law and necessary in a democratic society in the interest of national security, public safety or public order, or to protect public health or morals or the rights or freedoms of others.
- earthshot 7y agodang flagged and deleted this highly upvoted comment so I will repost: No, we cannot all agree on that. I prefer the American Convention on Human Rights, which states: The right of peaceful assembly, without arms, is recognized. No restrictions may be placed not the exercise of this right other than those imposed in comformity with the law and necessary in a democratic society in the interest of national security, public safety or public order, or to protect public health or morals or the rights or freedoms of others.
- DoreenMichele 7y agoYour comments are dead, not deleted. If you turn on "show dead," you can still see them. Also, flagging gets done by users. That's not a power reserved solely for mods.
- earthshot 7y agoDang admitted he did it. But sure, maybe the guy who told me that he killed my posts and account was just lying to me.
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- dang 7y agoNot cool. Since it's clear you don't want to use HN as intended, I've banned this account. If that changes, you're welcome to let us know at hn@ycombinator.com.