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Sharing is up to the owner not the receiver. You are concerned about learning about other culutures, that is what I mean by a disconnect, if they had the abilit

Sharing is up to the owner not the receiver. You are concerned about learning about other culutures, that is what I mean by a disconnect, if they had the ability the countries of origin would inavde (war, killing,etc..) Over those artifacts. This would be unthinkable in a western context. Look at syria,do you think they would prefer if the US or UK permanetly took their artefacts to preserve them instead of letting ISIS destroy them? Imagine someone taking libery statue and the whitehouse by force to keep them safe and learn about american culture. You're speaking this way because you are confident those countries won't invade your country and kill your people over it

KaiserPro 7y ago
I was talking about all artefacts. rembrant, van gough, the grays inn hand axe, the sutton hoo hoard, should be on tour, for the world to see and learn about. > if they had the ability the countries of origin would inavde (war, killing,etc..) Over those artifacts If I understand you properly, you are saying that a number of countries would engage in war to retrieve statues et al, not for the financial gain, but for _morale_? I think you misunderstand what expansionism is about. > Look at syria,do you think they would prefer if the US or UK permanetly took their artefacts to preserve them instead of letting ISIS destroy them? I doubt the vast majority care, I think they want peace, food, healthcare and jobs. It is a privileged to care about cultural sights. When you are at the point of having to live in a roman tomb to survive the winter, I think you cease to care about the cultural or historical provenance of a building/object. > Sharing is up to the owner define owner. Should the Flaminio obelisk be repatriated, if so, where to, Greece? after all it was stolen from Hellenic egypt. the Koh-i-Noor is another more complex one to solve. Its been stolen twice(at least), once by Nader Shah, then again by the Durrani who sold it/gave/traded/lost it to the Singh dynasty. It was then traded to the East India Company in exchange for them saving the ruling class from its incredible standing army(who would have conquered india if they hadn't been betrayed by their own leaders). The Elgin Marbles is more simple, but thats rare. The actual mechanics of repatriation is pretty hard. Which is why putting all these artefacts into a supra-national trust, travelling around the world is better, because _everyone_ gets to see it. Hopefully it will also stop corrupt governments seconding them to adorn private residences. Like all the stuff looted from iraq.

KaiserPro 7y ago

I was talking about all artefacts. rembrant, van gough, the grays inn hand axe, the sutton hoo hoard, should be on tour, for the world to see and learn about. > if they had the ability the countries of origin would inavde (war, killing,etc..) Over those artifacts If I understand you properly, you are saying that a number of countries would engage in war to retrieve statues et al, not for the financial gain, but for _morale_? I think you misunderstand what expansionism is about. > Look at syria,do you think they would prefer if the US or UK permanetly took their artefacts to preserve them instead of letting ISIS destroy them? I doubt the vast majority care, I think they want peace, food, healthcare and jobs. It is a privileged to care about cultural sights. When you are at the point of having to live in a roman tomb to survive the winter, I think you cease to care about the cultural or historical provenance of a building/object. > Sharing is up to the owner define owner. Should the Flaminio obelisk be repatriated, if so, where to, Greece? after all it was stolen from Hellenic egypt. the Koh-i-Noor is another more complex one to solve. Its been stolen twice(at least), once by Nader Shah, then again by the Durrani who sold it/gave/traded/lost it to the Singh dynasty. It was then traded to the East India Company in exchange for them saving the ruling class from its incredible standing army(who would have conquered india if they hadn't been betrayed by their own leaders). The Elgin Marbles is more simple, but thats rare. The actual mechanics of repatriation is pretty hard. Which is why putting all these artefacts into a supra-national trust, travelling around the world is better, because _everyone_ gets to see it. Hopefully it will also stop corrupt governments seconding them to adorn private residences. Like all the stuff looted from iraq.