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Announcement on Dotty as the future Scala 3 came from Scala Center (EPFL) not Typesafe/Lightbend. AFAIK Typesafe/Lightbend has made no commitment to Scala 3.

Announcement on Dotty as the future Scala 3 came from Scala Center (EPFL) not Typesafe/Lightbend. AFAIK Typesafe/Lightbend has made no commitment to Scala 3. Too bad the roadmap for Scala 2.14 has been scrapped.

spir 6y ago
I've worked with Dotty a bit and read about it a lot. I am very excited about Scala 3 :) Scala 3 isn't a python2/python3 situation. It will take years for large codebases to be upgraded to Scala 3. However, the tools to migrate code from Scala 2 to Scala 3 will be reliable and highly automated, due to Scala's strong type system. Most popular Scala libraries and frameworks will be available on Scala 3 right from the get-go. I expect that most Scala programmers and companies will want to write Scala 3 code asap. Within the Scala community, the only truly divisive aspect of Scala 3 afaik is the introduction of optional python-style and Haskell-style syntax with significant whitespace. I was stridently against significant whitespace and now prefer it after having tried coding Scala 3 for awhile.
- jmeister 6y ago
  Thanks for this info, very useful and exciting. I stopped using scala around 5 years back, want to get back to it. Would you recommend jumping straight to dotty? I’ve been doing a mostly python and a bit of Haskell in the meantime.
  - spir 6y ago
    I'd jump straight to dotty! You may as well learn the latest 'n greatest.
- jane_red 6y ago
  > It will take years for large codebases to be upgraded to Scala 3 Which for production level code bases means never. I can't even imagine what we are going to do with our 7 year old Scala code base.
  - vvillena 6y ago
    It's the Java 1.4/Java 6/Java 8 problem all over again. Big companies refuse to keep up with the base languages, and important parts of the ecosystem (e.g. Spark) fall behind the language.
maddening 6y ago
2.14 was supposed to be a stepping stone between 2 and 3, released only so that migration could be easier. They skipped it because apparently source code differences between valid 2.13 and 3.0 aren't that great. From what I saw it is mostly about migrating macros, the rest most likely would still work.

spir 6y ago

I've worked with Dotty a bit and read about it a lot. I am very excited about Scala 3 :) Scala 3 isn't a python2/python3 situation. It will take years for large codebases to be upgraded to Scala 3. However, the tools to migrate code from Scala 2 to Scala 3 will be reliable and highly automated, due to Scala's strong type system. Most popular Scala libraries and frameworks will be available on Scala 3 right from the get-go. I expect that most Scala programmers and companies will want to write Scala 3 code asap. Within the Scala community, the only truly divisive aspect of Scala 3 afaik is the introduction of optional python-style and Haskell-style syntax with significant whitespace. I was stridently against significant whitespace and now prefer it after having tried coding Scala 3 for awhile.

jmeister 6y ago
Thanks for this info, very useful and exciting. I stopped using scala around 5 years back, want to get back to it. Would you recommend jumping straight to dotty? I’ve been doing a mostly python and a bit of Haskell in the meantime.
- spir 6y ago
  I'd jump straight to dotty! You may as well learn the latest 'n greatest.
jane_red 6y ago
> It will take years for large codebases to be upgraded to Scala 3 Which for production level code bases means never. I can't even imagine what we are going to do with our 7 year old Scala code base.
- vvillena 6y ago
  It's the Java 1.4/Java 6/Java 8 problem all over again. Big companies refuse to keep up with the base languages, and important parts of the ecosystem (e.g. Spark) fall behind the language.

maddening 6y ago

2.14 was supposed to be a stepping stone between 2 and 3, released only so that migration could be easier. They skipped it because apparently source code differences between valid 2.13 and 3.0 aren't that great. From what I saw it is mostly about migrating macros, the rest most likely would still work.