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> would allow more individuals to participate, if they choose to opt in I don't see how this can work unless it gets very high distribution. I wonder if local
by jefftk 7y ago
> would allow more individuals to participate, if they choose to opt in
I don't see how this can work unless it gets very high distribution. I wonder if local governments might do something where the shelter-in-place orders are lifted for some categories of people conditional on running the app?
- maxerickson 7y agoDepends on how you define "work". To get to 0 you need very high participation. Even modest adoption will have some impact on the rate of spread.
- FabHK 7y agoNot sure I agree. This only works if both ends of a contact have a conforming app. As such, the proportion of contacts you can trace is not linear, but quadratic in adoption. (If 20% of people adopt it, you’d catch only 4% of contacts).
- CubsFan1060 7y agoGiven the number of people wearing masks, I think this would have a decent opt-in rate. Especially since, for most people, this is much easier than wearing a mask.
- jefftk 7y agoPeople can easily tell whether you're wearing a mask, so social "norm building" factors work.
- ceejayoz 7y agoI wouldn't be shocked if some businesses - movie theaters, malls, etc. - asked people to show their contract tracing status for entry.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y agoWell, I would think that would be met with a you-can-fuck-right-off by most people.
- ceejayoz 7y agoI really doubt that. Hell, vast numbers of people have been doing it voluntarily already with loyalty cards.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y agoI’m sorry, I might be misunderstanding how loyalty cards work... do they detect each other and report back to home with what other cards they have been in proximity to?
- ceejayoz 7y agoThey're a scenario where people have willingly given away privacy to corporations in exchange for pretty minor benefits (largely, discounts that just bring the prices back to where they'd have originally been).
- ryanobjc 7y agoKinda at the cash register, right?
- SlowRobotAhead 7y agoThe cards themselves detect each other without me knowing it? Checking into to JimmyJohns with a loyalty card is not the same as the guy I passed on the street's phone checking my phone and both letting JimmyJohns HQ that we passed each other at 12:53 on at 643 West Main St.
- ryanobjc 7y agoI bet there'll be a few different ways to 'prove' yourself to public places, and people who decide to tell them to 'go fuck off' - well they'll become social pariahs. After all - the first amendment allows for the freedom of assembly, and the freedom of assembling with whom they wish. Property rights also and all of that. Is it a matter of losing freedom for safety? Yeah. There's been a lot of 'reasonable' losses of freedom in various things. For example, isn't it a loss of freedom to require a drivers license and insurance (or proof of financial responsibility for California)? Or security at airports? And so on. This may become yet another loss of freedom, maybe temporary maybe not.
- gruez 7y agoHow many of those people are wearing masks for selfish reasons , ie. they don't want to get infected themselves?
- swiley 7y agoI’d be ok with this as long is it doesn’t require one of those awful nose swabs.
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- driverdan 7y agoThat is absolutely the last thing you should want. Are you seriously saying you support invasive government tracking under the guise of this?