That slow saying that California is "in" the US, and it's "dependent" on the US so it's "independent". And anyway Californians have no group identity beyond th

That slow saying that California is "in" the US, and it's "dependent" on the US so it's "independent". And anyway Californians have no group identity beyond the political connection to the state government. They aren't an ethnic group or a religious group or bound by a common culture regardless of the political border. That's the main distinction between a (non-government) "nation" and a (government) "state".