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Firefox comes pretty much broken out of the box if you don't use config flags.

by Hamuko 7y ago

coldpie 7y ago
Hmm? The only pref I change is "image.animation_mode=none" to disable animated GIFs and videos, and I can understand why they don't set that to the default. What do you find is broken about Firefox's default state? Do you really think most users feel the same way you do?
- Hamuko 7y ago
  >What do you find is broken about Firefox's default state? Firefox uses a self-made fullscreen implementation by default on macOS, which is buggy and causes menubar issues. Firefox has code to use the macOS native fullscreen feature, but it's actually hidden behind "full-screen-api.macos-native-full-screen" about:config flag. So if you're on macOS and want to fullscreen something on another monitor (and actually have it work proper), you need to figure out that the fix is hidden there.
  - coldpie 7y ago
    Surely you can understand that an issue in a platform-specific implementation of a fairly obscure feature doesn't really support your assertion that it is "broken out of the box". It's likely that config option is not set by default because it's known to be buggy in some other way. You can read some discussion of this setting here, which has seen some activity in the past year, so it is being worked on: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1403085 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1403085
    - Hamuko 7y ago
      A fairly obscure feature, what? Fullscreen is a fairly obscure feature?
  - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
    Uh, this was the first I'd heard about this setting, so I went ahead and tried it. I don't know what's happening for you, but when I toggle that setting, full-screen becomes quite broken: https://i.ibb.co/7tJYHPf/Screen-Shot-2020-04-10-at-9-30-25-AM.png https://i.ibb.co/7tJYHPf/Screen-Shot-2020-04-10-at-9-30-25-A... (Note all the empty space at the top and bottom.) Breaks the fullscreen animation too. I don't have problems with the standard full screen in Firefox—I never knew it wasn't using the native mac method—although I only have one monitor. The one big problem I do have with Firefox on Mac is that it intercepts the system keyboard shortcuts. So if you set up custom keyboard shortcuts in System Preferences for menu items, they won't work in Firefox.
    - Hamuko 7y ago
      That's not happening to me with full-screen-api.macos-native-full-screen and single screen.
      - recursive 7y ago
        Still though, you can probably understand now why it's not the default.
        Hamuko 7y ago
        I can't actually for a myriad of reasons. Not only has the native fullscreen functionality been around for years (eight to be exact), it's pretty mature. Other applications, like mpv, have migrated over to the native fullscreen functionality just fine. And as I already mentioned, the current Firefox implementation is just downright broken.
        recursive 7y ago
        > And as I already mentioned, the current Firefox implementation is just downright broken. Yes, and as others mentioned, the "native" implementation in Firefox is also downright broken. Without knowing which one is more broken, there doesn't seem to be a strong reason to change the default. I understand that the native one works better for you, but you're not the only user.
- chungy 7y ago
  My own pet feature, and prior to 75, the only config I changed, is "middlemouse.contentLoadURL=true" -- the default middle button action is some goofy scrolling feature copied from IE; much more useful to use it to load links.
  - abhiminator 7y ago
    Thank you for mentioning this. Even I've never really understood the Firefox dev team's rationale behind making the DEFAULT action of middle mouse click of that of auto-scrolling. In my years of using the web, never have I ever come across a scenario where I'd need middle-mouse-click triggered auto-scrolling.
    - coldpie 7y ago
      Oh man, the middle click autoscrolling is one of my favorite features. To scroll all over a huge page, you just middle-click once and nudge your hand a couple pixels up and down. Boom, free scrolling with just tiny nudges of your hand. It's probably how I do 90% of my scrolling in Firefox. (No opinion on the default setting; it's easily findable in the Settings dialog.)
recursive 7y ago
It's working fine for me.
soapdog 7y ago
That is quite subjective...
- Hamuko 7y ago
  Using old, broken system APIs without going into about:config is not really that subjective.
werdnapk 7y ago
I've been using firefox for over ages and I've pretty much never changed a config flag. No complaints.

Firefox comes pretty much broken out of the box if you don't use config flags.

by Hamuko 7y ago

Firefox comes pretty much broken out of the box if you don't use config flags.

Hmm? The only pref I change is "image.animation_mode=none" to disable animated GIFs and videos, and I can understand why they don't set that to the default. What do you find is broken about Firefox's default state? Do you really think most users feel the same way you do?

Hamuko 7y ago
>What do you find is broken about Firefox's default state? Firefox uses a self-made fullscreen implementation by default on macOS, which is buggy and causes menubar issues. Firefox has code to use the macOS native fullscreen feature, but it's actually hidden behind "full-screen-api.macos-native-full-screen" about:config flag. So if you're on macOS and want to fullscreen something on another monitor (and actually have it work proper), you need to figure out that the fix is hidden there.
- coldpie 7y ago
  Surely you can understand that an issue in a platform-specific implementation of a fairly obscure feature doesn't really support your assertion that it is "broken out of the box". It's likely that config option is not set by default because it's known to be buggy in some other way. You can read some discussion of this setting here, which has seen some activity in the past year, so it is being worked on: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1403085 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1403085
  - Hamuko 7y ago
    A fairly obscure feature, what? Fullscreen is a fairly obscure feature?
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  Uh, this was the first I'd heard about this setting, so I went ahead and tried it. I don't know what's happening for you, but when I toggle that setting, full-screen becomes quite broken: https://i.ibb.co/7tJYHPf/Screen-Shot-2020-04-10-at-9-30-25-AM.png https://i.ibb.co/7tJYHPf/Screen-Shot-2020-04-10-at-9-30-25-A... (Note all the empty space at the top and bottom.) Breaks the fullscreen animation too. I don't have problems with the standard full screen in Firefox—I never knew it wasn't using the native mac method—although I only have one monitor. The one big problem I do have with Firefox on Mac is that it intercepts the system keyboard shortcuts. So if you set up custom keyboard shortcuts in System Preferences for menu items, they won't work in Firefox.
  - Hamuko 7y ago
    That's not happening to me with full-screen-api.macos-native-full-screen and single screen.
    - recursive 7y ago
      Still though, you can probably understand now why it's not the default.
      - Hamuko 7y ago
        I can't actually for a myriad of reasons. Not only has the native fullscreen functionality been around for years (eight to be exact), it's pretty mature. Other applications, like mpv, have migrated over to the native fullscreen functionality just fine. And as I already mentioned, the current Firefox implementation is just downright broken.
        recursive 7y ago
        > And as I already mentioned, the current Firefox implementation is just downright broken. Yes, and as others mentioned, the "native" implementation in Firefox is also downright broken. Without knowing which one is more broken, there doesn't seem to be a strong reason to change the default. I understand that the native one works better for you, but you're not the only user.
chungy 7y ago
My own pet feature, and prior to 75, the only config I changed, is "middlemouse.contentLoadURL=true" -- the default middle button action is some goofy scrolling feature copied from IE; much more useful to use it to load links.
- abhiminator 7y ago
  Thank you for mentioning this. Even I've never really understood the Firefox dev team's rationale behind making the DEFAULT action of middle mouse click of that of auto-scrolling. In my years of using the web, never have I ever come across a scenario where I'd need middle-mouse-click triggered auto-scrolling.
  - coldpie 7y ago
    Oh man, the middle click autoscrolling is one of my favorite features. To scroll all over a huge page, you just middle-click once and nudge your hand a couple pixels up and down. Boom, free scrolling with just tiny nudges of your hand. It's probably how I do 90% of my scrolling in Firefox. (No opinion on the default setting; it's easily findable in the Settings dialog.)

recursive 7y ago

It's working fine for me.

soapdog 7y ago

That is quite subjective...

Hamuko 7y ago
Using old, broken system APIs without going into about:config is not really that subjective.

werdnapk 7y ago

I've been using firefox for over ages and I've pretty much never changed a config flag. No complaints.