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I'm really struggling for reasons to care about what happens on Wayland... because I have yet to find any decent desktop environments or window managers for Way

I'm really struggling for reasons to care about what happens on Wayland... because I have yet to find any decent desktop environments or window managers for Wayland. Sway is a close contender, but the one major problem I have with it is the fact that on high-DPI displays XWayland applications appear blurry. Do you have any recommendations for Wayland desktop environments or window managers?

eythian 7y ago
Think of it like this instead: if more applications support wayland, then more people can switch to it, some of those will be developers who are then more willing to build/port DEs and WMs for it.
- danieldk 7y ago
  Except that it hasn't been a problem for years on e.g. GNOME. X11 applications work fine and are not blurry. They generally use 2x scaling. Only old Gtk2+ applications such as Inkscape and GIMP have small icons, but there is probably a workaround. Sure, if you use Sway, you get blurry X11 applications. If this is a problem for you, don't use Sway ;).
skyfaller 7y ago
I haven't tried Wayfire yet, but it looks fun enough that it might get me to install Wayland: https://wayfire.org/ https://wayfire.org/ No idea how practical it is, but I miss Compiz Fusion with the windows wobbling and burning up, and if it will bring some joy to my desktop in these trying times, that's all I ask.
danieldk 7y ago
gnome-shell has worked for years with HiDPI and Wayland. XWayland applications are not blurry, GNOME configures them to use to use the GNOME scaling setting and they look as sharp as native Wayland applications.
emersion 7y ago
https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/pull/2064 https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/pull/2064
- andrewnicolalde 7y ago
  Slightly confused, is that PR ready for use right now?
Spivak 7y ago
The out-of-the-box setup on Fedora $Beta is probably the best Wayland environment that exists right now.
bwat49 7y ago
GNOME.

eythian 7y ago

Think of it like this instead: if more applications support wayland, then more people can switch to it, some of those will be developers who are then more willing to build/port DEs and WMs for it.

danieldk 7y ago
Except that it hasn't been a problem for years on e.g. GNOME. X11 applications work fine and are not blurry. They generally use 2x scaling. Only old Gtk2+ applications such as Inkscape and GIMP have small icons, but there is probably a workaround. Sure, if you use Sway, you get blurry X11 applications. If this is a problem for you, don't use Sway ;).

skyfaller 7y ago

I haven't tried Wayfire yet, but it looks fun enough that it might get me to install Wayland: https://wayfire.org/ https://wayfire.org/ No idea how practical it is, but I miss Compiz Fusion with the windows wobbling and burning up, and if it will bring some joy to my desktop in these trying times, that's all I ask.

danieldk 7y ago

gnome-shell has worked for years with HiDPI and Wayland. XWayland applications are not blurry, GNOME configures them to use to use the GNOME scaling setting and they look as sharp as native Wayland applications.

emersion 7y ago

https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/pull/2064 https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/pull/2064

andrewnicolalde 7y ago
Slightly confused, is that PR ready for use right now?

Spivak 7y ago

The out-of-the-box setup on Fedora $Beta is probably the best Wayland environment that exists right now.

bwat49 7y ago

GNOME.