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mullingitover says>" he's basically advocating for the rejected "herd immunity by infecting everyone at once" [a] strategy that would've killed _millions_."< "

mullingitover says>" he's basically advocating for the rejected "herd immunity by infecting everyone at once" [a] strategy that would've killed _millions_."< "Herd immunity" is not "rejected". For example, the Dutch and the Swedes have chosen to use it against Covid-19.. Furthermore, the total number of Covid-19 _cases_ in the USA is less than a million! to claim that the herd immunity strategy would have "killed millions" is nonsense. Deaths in USA due to Covid-19 are < 17,000 as of today, April 9, 2020.

himlion 7y ago
Not true, the Dutch have been on quasi lockdown for the last 4 weeks.
- giardini 7y ago
  Well, it _is_ true, they did and it was official: "Dutch embrace 'herd immunity' as dire death warning prompts UK to change course" https://pjmedia.com/trending/dutch-pm-announces-he-opts-for-extremely-risky-herd-immunity-in-battle-against-covid-19/ https://pjmedia.com/trending/dutch-pm-announces-he-opts-for-...
  - himlion 7y ago
    It was a gaffe from the PM and quickly retracted, see for example: https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/03/mps-back-ministers-on-coronavirus-herd-immunity-is-not-the-aim-says-rutte/ https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/03/mps-back-ministers-on-...
pinkfoot 7y ago
How is exponential growth in a population of 300 million nonsense? If you take the requisite counter-measures to stop the exponential growth, why are you upset when it does actually work? Odd
mullingitover 7y ago
> For example, the Dutch and the Swedes have chosen to use it against Covid-19.. Let's check in with Sweden. Currently their graph is not looking great[1]. They're faring worse than their neighbors, and the government is scrambling to get a lockdown going[2]. > As of April 9, Sweden’s rate per capita of confirmed deaths from the coronavirus is higher than the rate of its fellow Scandinavian countries or the US. Hospitals are overcrowded and staff members are overworked, and the military has begun setting up field hospitals in major cities, including Stockholm, the country’s capital and the epicenter of its outbreak. The government is now seeking extraordinary powers to impose further restrictions. Meanwhile in the Netherlands, they're extending their very real lockdown into June[3]. [1] https://mackuba.eu/corona/#sweden https://mackuba.eu/corona/#sweden [2] https://www.vox.com/2020/4/9/21213472/coronavirus-sweden-herd-immunity-cases-death https://www.vox.com/2020/4/9/21213472/coronavirus-sweden-her... [3] https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2020/03/577616/covid-19-netherlands-extends-partial-lockdown-june https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2020/03/577616/covid-19-n...
microtherion 7y ago
> the total number of Covid-19 _cases_ in the USA is less than a million But herd immunity only kicks in if a large percentage of the population (The author mentions 80%, so 240m people in the US) is infected. And he wants those 80% to be infected within 4 weeks. Wittkowski published a paper on March 31 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.28.20036715v2.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.28.20036715v... in which he predicted: > As the curve of new cases is flattening in the U.S. at about 20,000 per day [...] the number of deaths is stabilizing at about 400/d [...]. With an expected total of less than 10,000 deaths, [...] A look at the actual numbers (WITH mitigation strategies) demonstrates that his model is wildly wrong.

himlion 7y ago

Not true, the Dutch have been on quasi lockdown for the last 4 weeks.

giardini 7y ago
Well, it _is_ true, they did and it was official: "Dutch embrace 'herd immunity' as dire death warning prompts UK to change course" https://pjmedia.com/trending/dutch-pm-announces-he-opts-for-extremely-risky-herd-immunity-in-battle-against-covid-19/ https://pjmedia.com/trending/dutch-pm-announces-he-opts-for-...
- himlion 7y ago
  It was a gaffe from the PM and quickly retracted, see for example: https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/03/mps-back-ministers-on-coronavirus-herd-immunity-is-not-the-aim-says-rutte/ https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/03/mps-back-ministers-on-...

pinkfoot 7y ago

How is exponential growth in a population of 300 million nonsense? If you take the requisite counter-measures to stop the exponential growth, why are you upset when it does actually work? Odd

mullingitover 7y ago

> For example, the Dutch and the Swedes have chosen to use it against Covid-19.. Let's check in with Sweden. Currently their graph is not looking great[1]. They're faring worse than their neighbors, and the government is scrambling to get a lockdown going[2]. > As of April 9, Sweden’s rate per capita of confirmed deaths from the coronavirus is higher than the rate of its fellow Scandinavian countries or the US. Hospitals are overcrowded and staff members are overworked, and the military has begun setting up field hospitals in major cities, including Stockholm, the country’s capital and the epicenter of its outbreak. The government is now seeking extraordinary powers to impose further restrictions. Meanwhile in the Netherlands, they're extending their very real lockdown into June[3]. [1] https://mackuba.eu/corona/#sweden https://mackuba.eu/corona/#sweden [2] https://www.vox.com/2020/4/9/21213472/coronavirus-sweden-herd-immunity-cases-death https://www.vox.com/2020/4/9/21213472/coronavirus-sweden-her... [3] https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2020/03/577616/covid-19-netherlands-extends-partial-lockdown-june https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2020/03/577616/covid-19-n...

microtherion 7y ago

> the total number of Covid-19 _cases_ in the USA is less than a million But herd immunity only kicks in if a large percentage of the population (The author mentions 80%, so 240m people in the US) is infected. And he wants those 80% to be infected within 4 weeks. Wittkowski published a paper on March 31 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.28.20036715v2.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.28.20036715v... in which he predicted: > As the curve of new cases is flattening in the U.S. at about 20,000 per day [...] the number of deaths is stabilizing at about 400/d [...]. With an expected total of less than 10,000 deaths, [...] A look at the actual numbers (WITH mitigation strategies) demonstrates that his model is wildly wrong.