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It seems you’re presenting a False dilemma. Doing nothing isn’t the only alternative. Sweden is one example of a different approach.

secondo 7y ago
Good luck. Sweden is a country which in large has an overwhelming trust in it's government and its intents. There is no part or cultural aspect of Sweden, which inherently believes it needs to arm itself to protect itself from its own government, and even less so as part of its constitution (grundlag)[1]. When told to behave in a certain way, Swedes will follow suit. Separately Sweden is also a country with an extensive social safety net, where every citizen has the right to free healthcare and every employee will receive 80% of their salary for two weeks without a doctor's note at no cost for the employer[2]. Time will tell if the Swedish approach was the right one and even if so the Swedish case will end up being dependant on rather unique constraints that simply will not map to the US, at least not on a national level. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United... [2] https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=1130&langId=en&intPageId=4810 https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=1130&langId=en&in...
- Vaslo 7y ago
  What is the “certain way” I’m supposed to behave? Sorry, I’ll listen to the governments perspective and weigh it like everything else. I don’t have a gun to defend against the government - I have it in case an individual who thinks they are entitled to my money and my resources get carried away and take it a step too far and try and take it by force.
ajross 7y ago
Sweden has by far the worst outbreak in northern Europe, despite a later start than its neighbors. It's also has not apparently peaked yet, where the outbreaks in the rest of Europe have been flat for over a week now (and Italy has started shrinking). At the end of this, it's not at all clear that Sweden will have accomplished much of anything. The visualization at https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ is IMHO the clearest to explore this stuff. It's based on the Johns Hopkins data set, which is relatively well curated.

secondo 7y ago

Good luck. Sweden is a country which in large has an overwhelming trust in it's government and its intents. There is no part or cultural aspect of Sweden, which inherently believes it needs to arm itself to protect itself from its own government, and even less so as part of its constitution (grundlag)[1]. When told to behave in a certain way, Swedes will follow suit. Separately Sweden is also a country with an extensive social safety net, where every citizen has the right to free healthcare and every employee will receive 80% of their salary for two weeks without a doctor's note at no cost for the employer[2]. Time will tell if the Swedish approach was the right one and even if so the Swedish case will end up being dependant on rather unique constraints that simply will not map to the US, at least not on a national level. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United... [2] https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=1130&langId=en&intPageId=4810 https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=1130&langId=en&in...

Vaslo 7y ago
What is the “certain way” I’m supposed to behave? Sorry, I’ll listen to the governments perspective and weigh it like everything else. I don’t have a gun to defend against the government - I have it in case an individual who thinks they are entitled to my money and my resources get carried away and take it a step too far and try and take it by force.

ajross 7y ago

Sweden has by far the worst outbreak in northern Europe, despite a later start than its neighbors. It's also has not apparently peaked yet, where the outbreaks in the rest of Europe have been flat for over a week now (and Italy has started shrinking). At the end of this, it's not at all clear that Sweden will have accomplished much of anything. The visualization at https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ is IMHO the clearest to explore this stuff. It's based on the Johns Hopkins data set, which is relatively well curated.