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> The topic was someone saying in detail, "Here is why I have chosen not to be an Elm user, and why you shouldn't be either." When someone is saying divisive t

by philh 6y ago

> The topic was someone saying in detail, "Here is why I have chosen not to be an Elm user, and why you shouldn't be either." When someone is saying divisive things, I think it's important to be clear and precise about what they're actually saying. Some of the burden rests on themselves, and some of it rests on the commentators. And so I think it's important to note here, that I don't think he said the "you shouldn't either" bit. He specifically denies saying it: > I should also note “Your Mileage May Vary” etc. It would be entirely possible to use Elm and find it adequate for your needs, and therefore never bump into the things I hit very quickly.

btilly 6y ago
Thank you for the correction. What he actually said was, "I definitely cannot recommend it to anyone else." Which is fairly translated as, "You probably shouldn't either." But he explicitly didn't say that it was inappropriate for anyone.
- kazinator 6y ago
  I agree with you. The obvious, implicit motivation behind an article like this is to help other users make the same decision. Denying it only constitutes a reinforcing acknowledgement. It's just a rhetorical device. If someone says "I don't mean to be rude, but you're an ass", they in fact mean to be rude. A good chunk of everything you hear and read revolves around people trying to get others to be like them and do as they do, implicitly so. (Another good chunk is made up of people justifying, explaining and defending themselves.)
  - philh 6y ago
    > The obvious, implicit motivation behind an article like this is to help other users make the same decision. This is not obvious to me. Why do you assume the motivation is "to help other users make the same decision" and not "to help other users make the decision that's right for them"? I promise you that some people have sometimes written with that motivation in mind. If any denial is taken as proof of guilt, how do you tell those people apart?

by philh 6y ago

btilly 6y ago

Thank you for the correction. What he actually said was, "I definitely cannot recommend it to anyone else." Which is fairly translated as, "You probably shouldn't either." But he explicitly didn't say that it was inappropriate for anyone.

kazinator 6y ago
I agree with you. The obvious, implicit motivation behind an article like this is to help other users make the same decision. Denying it only constitutes a reinforcing acknowledgement. It's just a rhetorical device. If someone says "I don't mean to be rude, but you're an ass", they in fact mean to be rude. A good chunk of everything you hear and read revolves around people trying to get others to be like them and do as they do, implicitly so. (Another good chunk is made up of people justifying, explaining and defending themselves.)
- philh 6y ago
  > The obvious, implicit motivation behind an article like this is to help other users make the same decision. This is not obvious to me. Why do you assume the motivation is "to help other users make the same decision" and not "to help other users make the decision that's right for them"? I promise you that some people have sometimes written with that motivation in mind. If any denial is taken as proof of guilt, how do you tell those people apart?