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> I'm also paying Apple to curate my experience 100% agree. I pay the premium because of the walled garden. I prefer it. I want Apple to have a tight grip over

> I'm also paying Apple to curate my experience 100% agree. I pay the premium because of the walled garden. I prefer it. I want Apple to have a tight grip over suppliers. I want Apple to have a tight grip over the experience on their platforms. I want Apple to have a tight grip over their 3rd party developers. In fact, I say this as an engineer myself; I even develop for Apple's platform so I'm impacted by their dev-facing decisions! In my nearly 2 decade history with Apple as a customer, I often align with their principles and I want them to make decisions for me. I do not value an open platform. I only value a good user experience and I value my problems being solved in consistent and elegant ways with a focus on design. People act as if customers are somehow duped into the walled garden. NO! That's missing the entire thesis of Apple and the driving force behind their success. This is my opinion and you don't have to agree with it. I almost never express this opinion in discussions like this because why bother. But I figured it's helpful for others to see this opinion represented.

enos_feedler 7y ago
Thank you for expressing your opinion here. I think it's often under-rated just how well Apple understands it's customer base and it's because these types of opinions are over-shadowed by developer gripes, especially on forums like this. One of the most impressive things I see Apple do is introduce products and features that they _know_ will land will with their existing customer base.
three_seagrass 7y ago
Are those mutually exclusive though? Apple can control the user experience on the device you bought without forcing a 30% surcharge against the competition.
- askafriend 7y ago
  > Apple can control the user experience on the device you bought without forcing a 30% surcharge against the competition. I don't disagree with you. My response was meant to be general, not a direct response to the article. I didn't mean to imply that Apple gets everything right. I just wanted to express how all the things that HN thinks Apple gets wrong, are exactly the things that I (and many others) value deeply and pay a premium for.
ksec 7y ago
> I do not value an open platform. I only value a good user experience and I value my problems being solved in consistent and elegant ways with a focus on design. Fully agree. While I still criticise Apple on keyboard, hardware defects, sometimes unfair competitive advantage, I still prefer user experience over whatever ideology such as Open or Close, proprietary or Free. And I vote that with my money. The only problem is when User Experience is not up to standards, such as the early days ( and arguably even today ) Apple Music, Apple TV+, Apple Arcade. But then of coz I still have choices such as Spotify and Netflix. Again, none of that is to say I agree with charging 30/15% for its direct competitors. Given nearly 80% of the App Store platform are Gaming revenue. I wish Apple could use this opportunities to lower its fees for Non-Gaming Apps to 20% and Subscription to 10% charge. I think that is a much more fair price.
xorcist 7y ago
> I pay the premium because of the walled garden. I prefer it. As a Debian user, I can mostly relate to this. The problem is when Apple's incentives are not aligned with the consumer. That they do not allow a real Firefox on the iPhone to keep their browser engine relevant might be a small price to pay for some people, but certainly not for everyone.

enos_feedler 7y ago

Thank you for expressing your opinion here. I think it's often under-rated just how well Apple understands it's customer base and it's because these types of opinions are over-shadowed by developer gripes, especially on forums like this. One of the most impressive things I see Apple do is introduce products and features that they _know_ will land will with their existing customer base.

three_seagrass 7y ago

Are those mutually exclusive though? Apple can control the user experience on the device you bought without forcing a 30% surcharge against the competition.

askafriend 7y ago
> Apple can control the user experience on the device you bought without forcing a 30% surcharge against the competition. I don't disagree with you. My response was meant to be general, not a direct response to the article. I didn't mean to imply that Apple gets everything right. I just wanted to express how all the things that HN thinks Apple gets wrong, are exactly the things that I (and many others) value deeply and pay a premium for.

ksec 7y ago

> I do not value an open platform. I only value a good user experience and I value my problems being solved in consistent and elegant ways with a focus on design. Fully agree. While I still criticise Apple on keyboard, hardware defects, sometimes unfair competitive advantage, I still prefer user experience over whatever ideology such as Open or Close, proprietary or Free. And I vote that with my money. The only problem is when User Experience is not up to standards, such as the early days ( and arguably even today ) Apple Music, Apple TV+, Apple Arcade. But then of coz I still have choices such as Spotify and Netflix. Again, none of that is to say I agree with charging 30/15% for its direct competitors. Given nearly 80% of the App Store platform are Gaming revenue. I wish Apple could use this opportunities to lower its fees for Non-Gaming Apps to 20% and Subscription to 10% charge. I think that is a much more fair price.

xorcist 7y ago

> I pay the premium because of the walled garden. I prefer it. As a Debian user, I can mostly relate to this. The problem is when Apple's incentives are not aligned with the consumer. That they do not allow a real Firefox on the iPhone to keep their browser engine relevant might be a small price to pay for some people, but certainly not for everyone.