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Original author of the elm-firebase ( https://github.com/pairshaped/elm-firebase https://github.com/pairshaped/elm-firebase ) here. While I think Elm certainly

Original author of the elm-firebase ( https://github.com/pairshaped/elm-firebase https://github.com/pairshaped/elm-firebase ) here. While I think Elm certainly has some rough patches in both their aggressively PC community and the immaturity of the language (still many breaking changes, not 1.x, etc.), it's not that awful. I was told that elm-firebase was basically a waste, and don't use native modules, so I stopped development. I didn't need to make a big stink, and write a huge blog post on why I'm leaving Elm and how the community is toxic. If the author needs to leave the community, then do it, but no one needs to leave a community with so much drama.

bmurphy1976 7y ago
That's what many people (myself included) have done. Unfortunately by not sharing our experiences, others will have to learn things the hard way. If Evan is entitled to run Elm however he wants, Luke is entitled to post whatever criticism he wants on his own blog. If nobody ever speaks up, do you think things will actually ever get better?
- mrozbarry 7y ago
  To be clear, I don't have a problem with Luke posting his experience, but there's a difference between reporting the news and reporting your feelings. I think about half that article could be deleted, and it would still hold content of "why I'm leaving," but without building this huge drama oriented narrative.
  - hitekker 7y ago
    > without building this huge drama oriented narrative. One person's distress is another person's "drama", I suppose.
  - dorian-graph 7y ago
    As much as we can pretend that feelings aren't involved in software engineering, it will never be true, especially when relationships is the currency
  - renatofontes 7y ago
    You can't expect people to write in the style you want them to. Emotions can't be just locked in a cage. They will always filter out. It actually sounds like one of the issues with Evan, he thinks he is doing the right thing but it's just his ego talking. If he were to listen to how he feels about dealing with this issues and talking to the community Elm would be better off and this article wouldn't have happened. BTW. I think this article could very well kill elm.
Myrmornis 7y ago
The author didn’t “need” to, he decided to. It’s not clear how your own actions, or lack thereof, pertain here.
palimpsests 7y ago
I didn't have an experience of this post being dramatic - perhaps you can let us know what you mean with this word as it does seem to be evocative, based on the responses to your comment? I read this as a thorough recounting of the author's experience, much of which was characterized by a variety of challenges. I suppose that can be construed as having a "dramatic" element.
dimator 7y ago
the point is not leaving, the point is that he cares (enough) about Elm to try to ring the alarm that its leadership is bad and needs to change.

bmurphy1976 7y ago

That's what many people (myself included) have done. Unfortunately by not sharing our experiences, others will have to learn things the hard way. If Evan is entitled to run Elm however he wants, Luke is entitled to post whatever criticism he wants on his own blog. If nobody ever speaks up, do you think things will actually ever get better?

mrozbarry 7y ago
To be clear, I don't have a problem with Luke posting his experience, but there's a difference between reporting the news and reporting your feelings. I think about half that article could be deleted, and it would still hold content of "why I'm leaving," but without building this huge drama oriented narrative.
- hitekker 7y ago
  > without building this huge drama oriented narrative. One person's distress is another person's "drama", I suppose.
- dorian-graph 7y ago
  As much as we can pretend that feelings aren't involved in software engineering, it will never be true, especially when relationships is the currency
- renatofontes 7y ago
  You can't expect people to write in the style you want them to. Emotions can't be just locked in a cage. They will always filter out. It actually sounds like one of the issues with Evan, he thinks he is doing the right thing but it's just his ego talking. If he were to listen to how he feels about dealing with this issues and talking to the community Elm would be better off and this article wouldn't have happened. BTW. I think this article could very well kill elm.

Myrmornis 7y ago

The author didn’t “need” to, he decided to. It’s not clear how your own actions, or lack thereof, pertain here.

palimpsests 7y ago

I didn't have an experience of this post being dramatic - perhaps you can let us know what you mean with this word as it does seem to be evocative, based on the responses to your comment? I read this as a thorough recounting of the author's experience, much of which was characterized by a variety of challenges. I suppose that can be construed as having a "dramatic" element.

dimator 7y ago

the point is not leaving, the point is that he cares (enough) about Elm to try to ring the alarm that its leadership is bad and needs to change.