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The state of respect from law and corporations upon consumers is already the single most depressing thing and now earnit. Grew up wanting to live in the future

The state of respect from law and corporations upon consumers is already the single most depressing thing and now earnit. Grew up wanting to live in the future now i just want out. Remember that 15 year joke ‘dont be evil’? I believe i could self immolate a million times over in front of a variety of scenes and meanings, people could call, write and click, teach and learn. There is however an absolute, it seems, that there is no profitable path for relatively infinite powers (politicians and corporations) to allow any meaningful movement towards the more humanitarian, civil/passionate version of a culture. Instead we will visibly or not be corralled into a highly monitored and monetized form of drone happiness. Its cool.. as long as zoom always works, right? In a sort of twisted ‘we will do things to them but it wont happen to us’. Perhaps quarantine brain is boiling over into my comment style.

dTal 7y ago
>Perhaps quarantine brain is boiling over into my comment style. Quite honestly this comment sounds like you're entering a schizophrenic episode. I don't mean to be disrespectful and I am not a psychologist, but there's a characteristic tone and I recognize it. Quarantine is hard for brains. If you're in quarantine and you sense that your brain isn't working quite right, give your loved ones a call. Actually, do that anyway.
- flattone 7y ago
  I appreciate your sharing this view... but i lack background as to why. This tone and line of thinking is quite regular with the exception of a few friends who prefer surrendering privacy for safety. Tell me more about your views? Basically im trying to get at does this non psychologist have valid insight or is this just a knee jerk disagreement+quarantine comment? And to better clarify my boiling over thing it is really to say that with the added time on our hands we all have so much time to read and think about our lives. Just in case you’re right... hello from loony town. Haha. Sorry not funny.
  - dTal 7y ago
    >Basically im trying to get at does this non psychologist have valid insight or is this just a knee jerk disagreement+quarantine comment? Neither. I am only reacting to your writing style, which reminds me very much of some schizophrenic people I have known. If I had to describe it, I would say it is characterized by disjointedly jumping around a theme, often using sentence fragments instead of complete sentences. It makes sense to you, but it is difficult for others (well, me) to follow. Again I don't mean this as an attack at all, just as an encouragement to reach out. I don't have a lot to say about the actual content of your comment, except to say that it sounds awfully pessimistic and that life can surprise us with history's twists and turns. I'm sure things felt similarly hopeless in the early 20th century with the robber barons, or during the plague that immediately preceded the enlightenment. Chin up!
    - flattone 6y ago
      Thanks. I am guilty of being either loved or hated for my communication style. Whether it is or isnt an emerging psychological problem i can only proceed to read always and try to write carefully without impeding my mental rhythm which some may call add. Anyway i really appreciate your thoughtful reply. Cheers
- soheil 7y ago
  > and I am not a psychologist, but You probably should have just stopped there.
- a_tractor 6y ago
  >but there's a characteristic tone and I recognize it >and I am not a psychologist Hmm... talk about delusional... Maybe you should worry about yourself? You aren't qualified to say what you said with any degree of certainty, and yet you go for it anyway. You don't even try to explain yourself, basically just "trust me I can tell." You don't attempt to address the content of the ideas as expressed nor do you investigate the logic behind them, at all. You do however confidently report your conclusion, one that without any basis almost entirely invalidates and discredits both the ideas themselves and the person expressing them at the same time. >I don't mean to be disrespectful If you meant otherwise you would you would have kept your malignant amateur diagnosis to yourself then, no? >Quarantine is hard for brains. Oh gee thanks for this little tidbit of wisd.. No wait... What do you know about it? Right, you say this without qualification, as if none is needed. Do the implications of this "obvious" truth apply to yourself as well? Or does your narcissistic delusion of grandeur and savior complex protect you from such awareness? See how that works? Quite honestly your comment sounds like you are engaging in a manipulative technique called gas lighting: >Gaslighting describes the abuse employed by a narcissist to instill in their victim’s mind, an extreme anxiety and confusion to the extent where they no longer have faith in their own powers of logic, reason and judgement. The only question is why... The term 'schizophrenic' especially, as an accusation or concern in response to big picture questions and/or criticisms of the "progress" and direction of the modern world, is almost a cliche at this point. Basically, instead of questioning the sanity of the society we live in, or those in control of it, question your own! You mean you don't want to be monitored and controlled? Wow what a red flag... I know it when I see it... /s Taken on the whole, its just really hard not to question your motivations here. Did you think you were accomplishing something else here? Did you honestly think you were being a "good guy" here and "helping" this person out? How did you avoid seeing yourself as simply irresponsible and reckless for attempting to plant what might be considered the ultimate seed of near total existential doubt?
- cellularmitosis 6y ago
  > this comment sounds like you're entering a schizophrenic episode > I am not a psychologist This is wildly inappropriate.
  - dTal 6y ago
    That does appear to be the crowd consensus. However I have recently witnessed, on IRC, someone who was genuinely entering a schizophrenic episode be brought to reality and convinced to seek help by a kindly and understanding channel. Knowing that this is possible, I find it difficult to remain silent if I think there's even a small chance my words might actually make a difference for someone, and the harm inflicted seems to me to be relatively minor; I seem to have upset the crowd here considerably more than the person I was actually addressing. However, the overwhelming negative feedback suggests there might be a flaw in my logic. So I would appreciate some feedback - why is this so very objectionable?
    - cellularmitosis 6y ago
      > why is this so very objectionable? I think the objections are similar to those against Pascal's wager. Of the four quadrants, the "Believe in god, but god doesn't exist" lists an outcome of "no downside". But that isn't true -- from the perspective of a non-believer, there are downsides to living the life of a believer. Similarly, your position seems to be "If I give a diagnosis of schizophrenic, but they aren't schizo, there's no downside" (the charitable interpretation of your motivation being "it's better to err on the side of caution"). What you are missing is that it is harmful to tell someone they are schizophrenic when they are not. Edit: try to put yourself in their position and understand how they would feel. How would you feel if someone at a party pulled you aside and said "I think you might have mental retardation" or "I think you might have cancer". How would a mother feel if a babysitter told her "I think your son has Autism"? Even if they believe these things to be true, they aren't professionals and it isn't their place to give such a diagnosis, and it is inappropriate to do so because of the potential harm caused by an incorrect diagnosis. Edit2: Also, your post didn't contain any actual help, e.g. "here's the number of a hotline you should call". It was just "Here's my diagnosis".
mirimir 7y ago
> The state of respect from law and corporations upon consumers is already the single most depressing thing and now earnit. After five decades of the bloody War on Drugs, I have zero respect for the rule of law.
mr_toad 6y ago
> Perhaps quarantine brain is boiling over into my comment style. Or you’re channeling Dostoevsky. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Inquisitor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Inquisitor

dTal 7y ago

>Perhaps quarantine brain is boiling over into my comment style. Quite honestly this comment sounds like you're entering a schizophrenic episode. I don't mean to be disrespectful and I am not a psychologist, but there's a characteristic tone and I recognize it. Quarantine is hard for brains. If you're in quarantine and you sense that your brain isn't working quite right, give your loved ones a call. Actually, do that anyway.

flattone 7y ago
I appreciate your sharing this view... but i lack background as to why. This tone and line of thinking is quite regular with the exception of a few friends who prefer surrendering privacy for safety. Tell me more about your views? Basically im trying to get at does this non psychologist have valid insight or is this just a knee jerk disagreement+quarantine comment? And to better clarify my boiling over thing it is really to say that with the added time on our hands we all have so much time to read and think about our lives. Just in case you’re right... hello from loony town. Haha. Sorry not funny.
- dTal 7y ago
  >Basically im trying to get at does this non psychologist have valid insight or is this just a knee jerk disagreement+quarantine comment? Neither. I am only reacting to your writing style, which reminds me very much of some schizophrenic people I have known. If I had to describe it, I would say it is characterized by disjointedly jumping around a theme, often using sentence fragments instead of complete sentences. It makes sense to you, but it is difficult for others (well, me) to follow. Again I don't mean this as an attack at all, just as an encouragement to reach out. I don't have a lot to say about the actual content of your comment, except to say that it sounds awfully pessimistic and that life can surprise us with history's twists and turns. I'm sure things felt similarly hopeless in the early 20th century with the robber barons, or during the plague that immediately preceded the enlightenment. Chin up!
  - flattone 6y ago
    Thanks. I am guilty of being either loved or hated for my communication style. Whether it is or isnt an emerging psychological problem i can only proceed to read always and try to write carefully without impeding my mental rhythm which some may call add. Anyway i really appreciate your thoughtful reply. Cheers
soheil 7y ago
> and I am not a psychologist, but You probably should have just stopped there.
a_tractor 6y ago
>but there's a characteristic tone and I recognize it >and I am not a psychologist Hmm... talk about delusional... Maybe you should worry about yourself? You aren't qualified to say what you said with any degree of certainty, and yet you go for it anyway. You don't even try to explain yourself, basically just "trust me I can tell." You don't attempt to address the content of the ideas as expressed nor do you investigate the logic behind them, at all. You do however confidently report your conclusion, one that without any basis almost entirely invalidates and discredits both the ideas themselves and the person expressing them at the same time. >I don't mean to be disrespectful If you meant otherwise you would you would have kept your malignant amateur diagnosis to yourself then, no? >Quarantine is hard for brains. Oh gee thanks for this little tidbit of wisd.. No wait... What do you know about it? Right, you say this without qualification, as if none is needed. Do the implications of this "obvious" truth apply to yourself as well? Or does your narcissistic delusion of grandeur and savior complex protect you from such awareness? See how that works? Quite honestly your comment sounds like you are engaging in a manipulative technique called gas lighting: >Gaslighting describes the abuse employed by a narcissist to instill in their victim’s mind, an extreme anxiety and confusion to the extent where they no longer have faith in their own powers of logic, reason and judgement. The only question is why... The term 'schizophrenic' especially, as an accusation or concern in response to big picture questions and/or criticisms of the "progress" and direction of the modern world, is almost a cliche at this point. Basically, instead of questioning the sanity of the society we live in, or those in control of it, question your own! You mean you don't want to be monitored and controlled? Wow what a red flag... I know it when I see it... /s Taken on the whole, its just really hard not to question your motivations here. Did you think you were accomplishing something else here? Did you honestly think you were being a "good guy" here and "helping" this person out? How did you avoid seeing yourself as simply irresponsible and reckless for attempting to plant what might be considered the ultimate seed of near total existential doubt?
cellularmitosis 6y ago
> this comment sounds like you're entering a schizophrenic episode > I am not a psychologist This is wildly inappropriate.
- dTal 6y ago
  That does appear to be the crowd consensus. However I have recently witnessed, on IRC, someone who was genuinely entering a schizophrenic episode be brought to reality and convinced to seek help by a kindly and understanding channel. Knowing that this is possible, I find it difficult to remain silent if I think there's even a small chance my words might actually make a difference for someone, and the harm inflicted seems to me to be relatively minor; I seem to have upset the crowd here considerably more than the person I was actually addressing. However, the overwhelming negative feedback suggests there might be a flaw in my logic. So I would appreciate some feedback - why is this so very objectionable?
  - cellularmitosis 6y ago
    > why is this so very objectionable? I think the objections are similar to those against Pascal's wager. Of the four quadrants, the "Believe in god, but god doesn't exist" lists an outcome of "no downside". But that isn't true -- from the perspective of a non-believer, there are downsides to living the life of a believer. Similarly, your position seems to be "If I give a diagnosis of schizophrenic, but they aren't schizo, there's no downside" (the charitable interpretation of your motivation being "it's better to err on the side of caution"). What you are missing is that it is harmful to tell someone they are schizophrenic when they are not. Edit: try to put yourself in their position and understand how they would feel. How would you feel if someone at a party pulled you aside and said "I think you might have mental retardation" or "I think you might have cancer". How would a mother feel if a babysitter told her "I think your son has Autism"? Even if they believe these things to be true, they aren't professionals and it isn't their place to give such a diagnosis, and it is inappropriate to do so because of the potential harm caused by an incorrect diagnosis. Edit2: Also, your post didn't contain any actual help, e.g. "here's the number of a hotline you should call". It was just "Here's my diagnosis".

mirimir 7y ago

> The state of respect from law and corporations upon consumers is already the single most depressing thing and now earnit. After five decades of the bloody War on Drugs, I have zero respect for the rule of law.

mr_toad 6y ago

> Perhaps quarantine brain is boiling over into my comment style. Or you’re channeling Dostoevsky. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Inquisitor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Inquisitor