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> when this inevitably fails again May I ask where your confidence comes from? I’ll actually be more surprised if this doesn’t go through, at least in some fo

> when this inevitably fails again May I ask where your confidence comes from? I’ll actually be more surprised if this doesn’t go through, at least in some form.

giancarlostoro 7y ago
With so many eyeballs locked up at home, bored, not paying attention to congress. I think this is definitely much more concerning.
- jimbob45 7y ago
  Not paying attention to Congress...until a big player gets taken down by this bill and makes a loud fuss about it.
  - StillBored 7y ago
    They just need to word it correctly: "This product is designed with the highest levels of security in order to keep you safe from criminals and other illicit actors on the internet. Because of this, it has been deemed inappropriate for use by citizens of the USA by the EARN IT act. Until this changes, it is only available outside of US jurisdiction. Please contact your congressional representatives for more information"
Nasrudith 7y ago
To be fair even if they get what they think they it will fail and then they'll pout and try to move the goal posts again like how the DMCA failed to stop piracy or DRM from being cracked. Of course indulging their utter folly leaves us all worse off so we need to stop them. I notably haven't gotten even an email or after sending an email calling out EARN IT as downright nationally suicidal given the how much of the US economy is dependent upon secure cryptography, and the obvious relationship between GDP and power, and that if they gave a damn about the children they would be investing more in social services and investigation instead of trying to seize more power. Not sure if I reached them or got it put in a proverbial circular file or "enemies list/ban from volunteering as disgruntled" by a staffer but the fact they didn't send a "for the children" form letter bullshit is somewhat reassuring that it reached a real human and they at least recognized one case of "too pissed to even try to form letter bullshit" is a small victory and enough negative tickmarks to say "this is a bad plan" is the current win condition. Of course a large victory would be dropping from sponsorship but that would be near impossible even if I was a connected great speaker who called him out in person.
- fendy3002 7y ago
  That said, does DRM comes under E2E messages?
  - sjy 7y ago
    No, because if the government wants to inspect DRM-encrypted media for some reason they can simply play it like any other customer, or order the company that encrypted it to provide an unencrypted version.

> when this inevitably fails again May I ask where your confidence comes from? I’ll actually be more surprised if this doesn’t go through, at least in some form.

giancarlostoro 7y ago

With so many eyeballs locked up at home, bored, not paying attention to congress. I think this is definitely much more concerning.

jimbob45 7y ago
Not paying attention to Congress...until a big player gets taken down by this bill and makes a loud fuss about it.
- StillBored 7y ago
  They just need to word it correctly: "This product is designed with the highest levels of security in order to keep you safe from criminals and other illicit actors on the internet. Because of this, it has been deemed inappropriate for use by citizens of the USA by the EARN IT act. Until this changes, it is only available outside of US jurisdiction. Please contact your congressional representatives for more information"

Nasrudith 7y ago

To be fair even if they get what they think they it will fail and then they'll pout and try to move the goal posts again like how the DMCA failed to stop piracy or DRM from being cracked. Of course indulging their utter folly leaves us all worse off so we need to stop them. I notably haven't gotten even an email or after sending an email calling out EARN IT as downright nationally suicidal given the how much of the US economy is dependent upon secure cryptography, and the obvious relationship between GDP and power, and that if they gave a damn about the children they would be investing more in social services and investigation instead of trying to seize more power. Not sure if I reached them or got it put in a proverbial circular file or "enemies list/ban from volunteering as disgruntled" by a staffer but the fact they didn't send a "for the children" form letter bullshit is somewhat reassuring that it reached a real human and they at least recognized one case of "too pissed to even try to form letter bullshit" is a small victory and enough negative tickmarks to say "this is a bad plan" is the current win condition. Of course a large victory would be dropping from sponsorship but that would be near impossible even if I was a connected great speaker who called him out in person.

fendy3002 7y ago
That said, does DRM comes under E2E messages?
- sjy 7y ago
  No, because if the government wants to inspect DRM-encrypted media for some reason they can simply play it like any other customer, or order the company that encrypted it to provide an unencrypted version.