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So you have no source for the claim that 'The Dutch made an ordering mistake'. I won't read LinkedIn btw, that is not a source.

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FooBarWidget 7y ago
Why do you not find those sources convincing? Yeah nobody is explicitly making the statement "sorry, I messed up" but if I put the facts together then that's still what happened, in my opinion. I think you dismiss LinkedIn way too quickly. Hedda Sasburg is a business development consultant specialized in trade with China. I think this counts as expertise w.r.t. what Chinese different products and standards are. Why do you dismiss it so easily? And okay, how about this then: https://nos.nl/artikel/2329316-afgekeurde-mondkapjes-waren-wel-degelijk-voor-medisch-gebruik.html https://nos.nl/artikel/2329316-afgekeurde-mondkapjes-waren-w... From the article: > Maar "de Chinese kwaliteitsstandaard KN95 van de mondmaskers is een medische code", zegt een woordvoerder van de IGJ. > But "the Chinese standard KN95 means that it's for medical use", said the Dutch ministery of health. Hedda Sasburg (and not sure why the article doesn't point this out): > Ik lees dat het KN95 [aka GB2626] mondmaskers zijn; maskers die in China niet zijn bestemd voor medisch gebruik in ziekenhuizen. > KN95 masks [aka GB2626] are not for medical use. Note: the Chinese KN95 is not equivalent to the American N95. Also from the article: > "De producten stonden beschreven als 'niet-medische maskers' in de douanepapieren" > The customs paper said that these are non-medical masks. Even if you don't believe Hedda Sasburg and the Chinese statements, the customs paper seems pretty definitive to me. The only loose end I still see is why IGJ ruled KN95 to be equivalent to the European EN-149:2001+A1:2009 when even the Chinese don't use them for medical purposes. Anyway, the issue is now solved. China now sent masks that the Dutch do approve of: https://twitter.com/mjrijn/status/1246154161152045056 https://twitter.com/mjrijn/status/1246154161152045056
- the-dude 7y ago
  You are quite active in this thread. I think it is wonderful the central Chinese government decided to step in and regulate the trade.

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FooBarWidget 7y ago

Why do you not find those sources convincing? Yeah nobody is explicitly making the statement "sorry, I messed up" but if I put the facts together then that's still what happened, in my opinion. I think you dismiss LinkedIn way too quickly. Hedda Sasburg is a business development consultant specialized in trade with China. I think this counts as expertise w.r.t. what Chinese different products and standards are. Why do you dismiss it so easily? And okay, how about this then: https://nos.nl/artikel/2329316-afgekeurde-mondkapjes-waren-wel-degelijk-voor-medisch-gebruik.html https://nos.nl/artikel/2329316-afgekeurde-mondkapjes-waren-w... From the article: > Maar "de Chinese kwaliteitsstandaard KN95 van de mondmaskers is een medische code", zegt een woordvoerder van de IGJ. > But "the Chinese standard KN95 means that it's for medical use", said the Dutch ministery of health. Hedda Sasburg (and not sure why the article doesn't point this out): > Ik lees dat het KN95 [aka GB2626] mondmaskers zijn; maskers die in China niet zijn bestemd voor medisch gebruik in ziekenhuizen. > KN95 masks [aka GB2626] are not for medical use. Note: the Chinese KN95 is not equivalent to the American N95. Also from the article: > "De producten stonden beschreven als 'niet-medische maskers' in de douanepapieren" > The customs paper said that these are non-medical masks. Even if you don't believe Hedda Sasburg and the Chinese statements, the customs paper seems pretty definitive to me. The only loose end I still see is why IGJ ruled KN95 to be equivalent to the European EN-149:2001+A1:2009 when even the Chinese don't use them for medical purposes. Anyway, the issue is now solved. China now sent masks that the Dutch do approve of: https://twitter.com/mjrijn/status/1246154161152045056 https://twitter.com/mjrijn/status/1246154161152045056

the-dude 7y ago
You are quite active in this thread. I think it is wonderful the central Chinese government decided to step in and regulate the trade.