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There's the contrapoints video that gets brought up a lot when discussing Peterson, and imo it does better than other sources, but its probably not formal enoug

There's the contrapoints video that gets brought up a lot when discussing Peterson, and imo it does better than other sources, but its probably not formal enough / contains too much humor / silliness for the HN audience.

kleer001 7y ago
Yea, I took a peak. I can't sit through that (even though I did say "all accepted", My bad. ). It's a pile of pandering palp for a pretty rarefied cheer leading group. If there's valid points they should be available elsewhere in a more palatable and coherent form, no? Nobody's got a proprietary hold on truth. So, taking this moment to do my own searching all I find are character assassinations, and misunderstandings of his background and goals. That's from discussions on /r/askphilosophy to that New York times article to the one on thebaffler and video interviews too, from Cathy Newman to Vice all seem driven to the same goal as those sad and incoherent student protests in 2016. Shrug.
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- zaaakk 7y ago
  Just watch him in the debate with Zizek. He’s clearly out of his league.
  - kleer001 7y ago
    Sure, they're leaders in different disciplines which seem to overlap in the zeitgeist. I doubt Zizek would be able to match Peterson when discussing practical psychiatry. IMHO, after a brief fascination I've found my enthusiasm for Zizek fading. He seems to know his quotes very well and spits them out like a rapper on speed, but as a career philosopher and author I haven't seen his work leading to positive change in people. Peterson on the other hand has a growing cohort of I regret to say 'followers' who are purportedly cleaning up their acts. IMHO the group (and subsequently the ideology) is the wrong level of analysis to diagnose and then treat our contemporary woes. Groups cannot be addressed simultainously, cannot be held accountable, and most of all are never clearly delineated (what is 'race'?). The individual CAN be held accountable, that's how every law system on Earth is engineered. The individual can be addressed. That's how almost every communication system in the world works (except public PAs, radio, and the like). And most of all individuals are trivial to delineate. An individual human is unlike anything else in the universe except other humans and each has their own unique history.

kleer001 7y ago

Yea, I took a peak. I can't sit through that (even though I did say "all accepted", My bad. ). It's a pile of pandering palp for a pretty rarefied cheer leading group. If there's valid points they should be available elsewhere in a more palatable and coherent form, no? Nobody's got a proprietary hold on truth. So, taking this moment to do my own searching all I find are character assassinations, and misunderstandings of his background and goals. That's from discussions on /r/askphilosophy to that New York times article to the one on thebaffler and video interviews too, from Cathy Newman to Vice all seem driven to the same goal as those sad and incoherent student protests in 2016. Shrug.

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zaaakk 7y ago
Just watch him in the debate with Zizek. He’s clearly out of his league.
- kleer001 7y ago
  Sure, they're leaders in different disciplines which seem to overlap in the zeitgeist. I doubt Zizek would be able to match Peterson when discussing practical psychiatry. IMHO, after a brief fascination I've found my enthusiasm for Zizek fading. He seems to know his quotes very well and spits them out like a rapper on speed, but as a career philosopher and author I haven't seen his work leading to positive change in people. Peterson on the other hand has a growing cohort of I regret to say 'followers' who are purportedly cleaning up their acts. IMHO the group (and subsequently the ideology) is the wrong level of analysis to diagnose and then treat our contemporary woes. Groups cannot be addressed simultainously, cannot be held accountable, and most of all are never clearly delineated (what is 'race'?). The individual CAN be held accountable, that's how every law system on Earth is engineered. The individual can be addressed. That's how almost every communication system in the world works (except public PAs, radio, and the like). And most of all individuals are trivial to delineate. An individual human is unlike anything else in the universe except other humans and each has their own unique history.