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CCP does not understand that playing asymmetric games from business laws (booting Uber off of China for example), diplomacy and global influence, etc is damagin

CCP does not understand that playing asymmetric games from business laws (booting Uber off of China for example), diplomacy and global influence, etc is damaging long term brand and goodwill. In this pandemic, democratic nations are suffering more than authoritarian regimes purely by choice - complete Wuhan style measures are unacceptable say in Sweden. This asymmetry is going to give a short term boost to China. Long term, my opinion is that western democracies will realize what they’re against - all eggs in a single totalitarian basket - is a bad idea. Manufacturing and reliance on China will change. It is already changing: https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-04-08/japan-to-fund-firms-to-shift-production-out-of-china https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-04-08/japan...

showbufire 7y ago
booting off Uber? Have you ever used Uber and its local competitor Didi in China? I've used both multiple times. The competition was just too much, both companies were losing money at a pace that's not sustainable. The Uber China business was acquired, and in return Uber received cash and stakes in Didi.
- systemvoltage 7y ago
  Oh come on, there is no denying that China subsidizes local businesses asymmetrically. I've lived in China and have used Didi.
  - chrischen 7y ago
    I don’t think you can claim definitively that that is why Uber lost. Uber lost in other markets too, like in Southeast Asia. I don’t think anyone can win this argument with you since you can always claim that the Chinese government favors local companies, so therefore ____ lost. But at least I can give some counterpoints: Tesla hasn’t lost in China.
- novok 7y ago
  If you look into the details you'll find out that in typical CCP fashion they were tipping the scales on Didi.
behnamoh 7y ago
I sincerely hope most foreign businesses move their factories away from China. On top of that, China has to be held responsible for crime against humanity and must be punished.
- botwriter 7y ago
  don't know why you're being downvoted for this.
ForHackernews 7y ago
> It is already changing: https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-04-08/japan.. https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-04-08/japan.... This is the same article as the OP.
- _jahh 7y ago
  that's the joke; ggp proves the point
eanzenberg 7y ago
>>In this pandemic, democratic nations are suffering more than authoritarian regimes purely by choice This is no evidence of this either. You can't believe what authoritarian regimes publish. They also are willing to shoot on site if they want to positive-COVID people. There are estimates that the deathtoll under CCP for COVID is > 10x what's reported, and will probably go up.
- nikofeyn 7y ago
  do you have evidence for your claims? i know people who live in china, including those who work in hospitals, and the situation handling there is night and day compared with that found in the u.s.
  - nikofeyn 7y ago
    it's unbelievable the amount of biased, subjective anti-chinese propaganda found on hacker news. and most of it is by people who only repeat the propaganda found in u.s. media and/or have never even been to china. there are of course legitimate, serious problems there, but you won't find accurate portrayals of them here, and you will certainly see the same problems in the u.s. and west ignored. asking for evidence for a comment that requests evidence themselves and then makes unfounded claims gets downvoted. and you see comments like this everywhere. meanwhile, the u.s. is literally failing on nearly every vector which is very scary.
jeeeeb 7y ago
> In this pandemic, democratic nations are suffering more than authoritarian regimes purely by choice South Korea, Taiwan, New Zealand, Australia, Finland, Norway and Malaysia all look to have handled the crisis very well. India is as well - as far as their figures are to be believed. We'll also find out if Japan's handling of the crisis has been effective in the coming weeks. I'm not really seeing a pattern in democracies handling this badly. Meanwhile while the Chinese figures probably aren't completely made up, it's also extremely doubtful how reliable they are.

showbufire 7y ago

booting off Uber? Have you ever used Uber and its local competitor Didi in China? I've used both multiple times. The competition was just too much, both companies were losing money at a pace that's not sustainable. The Uber China business was acquired, and in return Uber received cash and stakes in Didi.

systemvoltage 7y ago
Oh come on, there is no denying that China subsidizes local businesses asymmetrically. I've lived in China and have used Didi.
- chrischen 7y ago
  I don’t think you can claim definitively that that is why Uber lost. Uber lost in other markets too, like in Southeast Asia. I don’t think anyone can win this argument with you since you can always claim that the Chinese government favors local companies, so therefore ____ lost. But at least I can give some counterpoints: Tesla hasn’t lost in China.
novok 7y ago
If you look into the details you'll find out that in typical CCP fashion they were tipping the scales on Didi.

behnamoh 7y ago

I sincerely hope most foreign businesses move their factories away from China. On top of that, China has to be held responsible for crime against humanity and must be punished.

botwriter 7y ago
don't know why you're being downvoted for this.

ForHackernews 7y ago

> It is already changing: https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-04-08/japan.. https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-04-08/japan.... This is the same article as the OP.

_jahh 7y ago
that's the joke; ggp proves the point

eanzenberg 7y ago

>>In this pandemic, democratic nations are suffering more than authoritarian regimes purely by choice This is no evidence of this either. You can't believe what authoritarian regimes publish. They also are willing to shoot on site if they want to positive-COVID people. There are estimates that the deathtoll under CCP for COVID is > 10x what's reported, and will probably go up.

nikofeyn 7y ago
do you have evidence for your claims? i know people who live in china, including those who work in hospitals, and the situation handling there is night and day compared with that found in the u.s.
- nikofeyn 7y ago
  it's unbelievable the amount of biased, subjective anti-chinese propaganda found on hacker news. and most of it is by people who only repeat the propaganda found in u.s. media and/or have never even been to china. there are of course legitimate, serious problems there, but you won't find accurate portrayals of them here, and you will certainly see the same problems in the u.s. and west ignored. asking for evidence for a comment that requests evidence themselves and then makes unfounded claims gets downvoted. and you see comments like this everywhere. meanwhile, the u.s. is literally failing on nearly every vector which is very scary.

jeeeeb 7y ago

> In this pandemic, democratic nations are suffering more than authoritarian regimes purely by choice South Korea, Taiwan, New Zealand, Australia, Finland, Norway and Malaysia all look to have handled the crisis very well. India is as well - as far as their figures are to be believed. We'll also find out if Japan's handling of the crisis has been effective in the coming weeks. I'm not really seeing a pattern in democracies handling this badly. Meanwhile while the Chinese figures probably aren't completely made up, it's also extremely doubtful how reliable they are.