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Does it mean you have to distribute it to employees? It seems to me that even if Disney earns 100 times that, their employees should not get more than the mark

by hkai 7y ago

Does it mean you have to distribute it to employees? It seems to me that even if Disney earns 100 times that, their employees should not get more than the market rate.

malux85 7y ago
Ethically it means you should take care of your employees during a pandemic or any other exceptional circumstance. You know - the staff that were there for you, building your empire when times were good. Now they are suffering and Disney is posting record income numbers. You sound like one of the asshole, cut-throat managers who makes decisions like this. I hope people like you die in a fire.
- dang 7y ago
  Whoa. You can't do this here, regardless of how wrong other commenters are or you feel they are. Ditto for https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22820276 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22820276. Of course strong feelings arise with this subject matter, and doubly so during a crisis. But if you're commenting here, you need not to let that propel you into personal attack or verbal violence. Maybe you don't owe corporate apologists or Disney executives better, but you owe this community better if you're posting here (much better). https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html It's also not in your interest to post like this. It will appeal only to a subset of the readers who already agree with you, but alienate everyone else. In other words, the price you pay for the momentary relief of venting is that your comment discredits your own position, making the truth in it harder for others to perceive and actually driving them further away from you. That harms your cause. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20truth%20discredit&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
njoubert 7y ago
What the fuck? “Should not get more than market rate”?
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't post unsubstantive comments here, regardless of how wrong another comment is (or you feel it is). It helps nothing; it just makes the thread even worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
nodesocket 7y ago
Agreed, if it causes the company to have severe financial distress or even possibly go bankrupt, hard decisions such as these have to be made. If the company goes under lots more jobs and wealth is lost.
- sb8244 7y ago
  Should Disney be more fiscally responsible so they can pay their employees during hard times? I agree with your comment if it's a small business that struggles to make ends meet, but this is Disney. I do expect better from them.
- bryanrasmussen 7y ago
  they obviously won't go under, they will have a bad year. Companies often cut staff during bad years, but this is a bad year for everyone and a special occurrence hopefully not repeated in the following years. Still, since there are government programs in place maybe Disney should be taking advantage of them by furloughing their engineers that they can't necessarily use to best effect right now.
- trophycase 7y ago
  Ah yes. Hard decisions about whether the new CEO will wipe his ass with that 11 billion, or use it as fuel for his fireplace. Decisions, decisions.
  - dang 7y ago
    Could you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? You've been doing it repeatedly, and we ban accounts that do that because it kills the spirit of curious conversation, which this site exists for. If you wouldn't mind taking a look at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and using HN in the intended spirit, we'd appreciate it. It's understandable that temperatures rise and pots boil over, but we all need to control ourselves in those areas, or else we end up ruining this place.
    - mcphage 7y ago
rossjudson 7y ago
No, but it certainly means that Disney's employees should understand exactly how much they matter to the company. There's a junior MBA somewhere bumping their career by destroying others'.
- op03 7y ago
  Its not destroyed. You still have Disney on your resume and you didn't get fired for anything dumb you did. Having been through this stuff a couple times and heard these reactions before, I can tell you most people, esp those from blue chips, get picked up fast. Covid changes things yes, but the system is not static. Response and handling of it will get better and better week by week as people learn and adapt. Companies will restart work and hiring sooner or later. Look at S.Korea. They got hit by MERS. They learnt, evolved new plans and this time around were prepared.
  - blaser-waffle 7y ago
    > Covid changes things yes, but the system is not static Yes, it is. People literally cannot leave their houses. There are certainty some online/100% remote jobs that will hire you via webcam, but most don't. And I'm saying that as a guy who has been 100% remote for the past 5+ years now. All, every single one, of my remote gigs had me show up and interview in person. That's just not an option for huge swaths of the US, and may not be for months yet. > Response and handling of it will get better and better week by week as people learn and adapt. Companies will restart work and hiring sooner or later. Look at S.Korea. They got hit by MERS. They learnt, evolved new plans and this time around were prepared. They're predicting as high as 50% of the local businesses failing in my city by the end of summer, and I've heard similar doom and gloom about other parts of N. America. S. Korea is an outlier in most respects, and there is little reason to believe that the responses put out by other nations will be as effective. The UK lagged on their COVID response and now their PM is in the ICU. Sweden just isn't doing anything, and it looks like Trump is trying to cause a civil war in the US by stealing resources from the states. The worse is yet to come, IMO, and these former Disney workers are right to curse their employer.

by hkai 7y ago

Does it mean you have to distribute it to employees? It seems to me that even if Disney earns 100 times that, their employees should not get more than the market rate.

malux85 7y ago

Ethically it means you should take care of your employees during a pandemic or any other exceptional circumstance. You know - the staff that were there for you, building your empire when times were good. Now they are suffering and Disney is posting record income numbers. You sound like one of the asshole, cut-throat managers who makes decisions like this. I hope people like you die in a fire.

dang 7y ago
Whoa. You can't do this here, regardless of how wrong other commenters are or you feel they are. Ditto for https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22820276 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22820276. Of course strong feelings arise with this subject matter, and doubly so during a crisis. But if you're commenting here, you need not to let that propel you into personal attack or verbal violence. Maybe you don't owe corporate apologists or Disney executives better, but you owe this community better if you're posting here (much better). https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html It's also not in your interest to post like this. It will appeal only to a subset of the readers who already agree with you, but alienate everyone else. In other words, the price you pay for the momentary relief of venting is that your comment discredits your own position, making the truth in it harder for others to perceive and actually driving them further away from you. That harms your cause. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20truth%20discredit&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

njoubert 7y ago

What the fuck? “Should not get more than market rate”?

dang 7y ago
Please don't post unsubstantive comments here, regardless of how wrong another comment is (or you feel it is). It helps nothing; it just makes the thread even worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

nodesocket 7y ago

Agreed, if it causes the company to have severe financial distress or even possibly go bankrupt, hard decisions such as these have to be made. If the company goes under lots more jobs and wealth is lost.

sb8244 7y ago
Should Disney be more fiscally responsible so they can pay their employees during hard times? I agree with your comment if it's a small business that struggles to make ends meet, but this is Disney. I do expect better from them.
bryanrasmussen 7y ago
they obviously won't go under, they will have a bad year. Companies often cut staff during bad years, but this is a bad year for everyone and a special occurrence hopefully not repeated in the following years. Still, since there are government programs in place maybe Disney should be taking advantage of them by furloughing their engineers that they can't necessarily use to best effect right now.
trophycase 7y ago
Ah yes. Hard decisions about whether the new CEO will wipe his ass with that 11 billion, or use it as fuel for his fireplace. Decisions, decisions.
- dang 7y ago
  Could you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? You've been doing it repeatedly, and we ban accounts that do that because it kills the spirit of curious conversation, which this site exists for. If you wouldn't mind taking a look at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and using HN in the intended spirit, we'd appreciate it. It's understandable that temperatures rise and pots boil over, but we all need to control ourselves in those areas, or else we end up ruining this place.
  - mcphage 7y ago

rossjudson 7y ago

No, but it certainly means that Disney's employees should understand exactly how much they matter to the company. There's a junior MBA somewhere bumping their career by destroying others'.

op03 7y ago
Its not destroyed. You still have Disney on your resume and you didn't get fired for anything dumb you did. Having been through this stuff a couple times and heard these reactions before, I can tell you most people, esp those from blue chips, get picked up fast. Covid changes things yes, but the system is not static. Response and handling of it will get better and better week by week as people learn and adapt. Companies will restart work and hiring sooner or later. Look at S.Korea. They got hit by MERS. They learnt, evolved new plans and this time around were prepared.
- blaser-waffle 7y ago
  > Covid changes things yes, but the system is not static Yes, it is. People literally cannot leave their houses. There are certainty some online/100% remote jobs that will hire you via webcam, but most don't. And I'm saying that as a guy who has been 100% remote for the past 5+ years now. All, every single one, of my remote gigs had me show up and interview in person. That's just not an option for huge swaths of the US, and may not be for months yet. > Response and handling of it will get better and better week by week as people learn and adapt. Companies will restart work and hiring sooner or later. Look at S.Korea. They got hit by MERS. They learnt, evolved new plans and this time around were prepared. They're predicting as high as 50% of the local businesses failing in my city by the end of summer, and I've heard similar doom and gloom about other parts of N. America. S. Korea is an outlier in most respects, and there is little reason to believe that the responses put out by other nations will be as effective. The UK lagged on their COVID response and now their PM is in the ICU. Sweden just isn't doing anything, and it looks like Trump is trying to cause a civil war in the US by stealing resources from the states. The worse is yet to come, IMO, and these former Disney workers are right to curse their employer.