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I didn't look too much into this, but is it possible that the increase of censorship isn't just that Kidz Bop is stricter now, but that pop music today has more

by fiblye 7y ago

I didn't look too much into this, but is it possible that the increase of censorship isn't just that Kidz Bop is stricter now, but that pop music today has more profanity? >Kidz Bop is teaching gender role conformity and race identification and pushing kids to grow up quicker, a sociological phenomena known as “kids getting older younger” (KGOY). This is another weird thing. It's assumed that we're all legally kids until 18 now, and that's being extended with more people attending college and it often being seen as a time to have fun, relax, and enjoy yourself without serious responsibility. Many of our ancestors were working jobs at 13 and some were having kids of their own. Not to say that's the way it should be, but recent trends make it feel like childhood has extended. I personally didn't really feel like an adult until solidly into my mid-20s. Edit: It seems like "kids" here might be referring to smaller children acting like teenagers. Even in that case, I think little kids playing with toys and games all day is fairly new. Most were doing chores or actual work throughout history.

fennecfoxen 7y ago
> KGOY Really? I looked at the "Identity" section and sure, they just wrote out "lesbian transgender life" from Born This Way, but they also turned "find a man" into "find the one" and do similar things for "woman"... You can say many things about these replacements, but the one I'm not sure about is that the replacement is in the service of making kids get older, younger. It seems to me just like they just want to make all that into something anodyne, which if anything is the anti-KGOY... unless the alternative is neither Kidz Bop nor the original music, but instead, something more like Raffi? I'm not sure how realistic that is, though.
- burkaman 7y ago
  Reading the study they cite (https://urj.uccs.edu/index.php/urj/article/view/266 https://urj.uccs.edu/index.php/urj/article/view/266), it's not that the replacements have an agenda, it's that replacing a few lyrics doesn't really cover up the original intent of a song, and a lot of the songs they cover have non-kid-friendly themes. Another major complaint is the music videos tend to feature kids having fun by dancing around a big house with fancy clothes and expensive stuff, which romanticizes wealth and promotes consumerism. Lyrics romanticizing wealth like "can't you taste this gold" tend not to be censored. The basic idea is that playing the Kidz Bop version of a Flo Rida song for your kid is similar to showing them the airplane-censored version of Pulp Fiction. If they're too young for the real thing, they're probably too young for the censored version.
  - welliman 7y ago
    That study looks like it was done by an undergrad and isn't peer reviewed. It is interesting, but probably should be taken with a grain of salt.
    - Klinky 7y ago
      So, it's basically the Kidz Bop version of properly peer-reviewed study?
      - welliman 7y ago
        Not really. The research seems to be relatively novel, not a watered down version of a different study being repeated by children as your comment would suggest. My point was that the research just wasn't overly prestigious.
        Igelau 7y ago
        By trimming out novelty and leaving only prestige, we are left with the Kidz Bop version of knowledge.
  - lonelappde 7y ago
    Right Kidz Bop Agenda is the opposite of KGOY, obviously, that's the whole reason it exists, but the researcher argues the task is doomed to failure. Also, As bad as wealth and consumerism are, they are just as bad for kids as adults.
knolax 7y ago
> Most were doing chores or actual work throughout history. I have to disagree, the young of other social animals like dogs and lions all spend most of their time "playing". This, combined with the fact that a human child is comparatively underdeveloped compared to the young of every other animal makes it hard to conceive of any useful task a child could do in a neolithic society. It's not like toys are some recent invention, they're one of the oldest types of artefact we dig up. I believe "chores" are a modern invention that exists mostly to act as busywork. Washing dishes doesn't teach you anything important but many types of play exist as a sort of simulation of adult life.
- WalterBright 7y ago
  Having summers off from school is so the kids can help out with the farm chores.
  - _nhynes 7y ago
    I thought the same thing until I was recently introduced to the Wikipedia article [0] that suggests it’s actually for the purpose of family vacation. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_vacation#United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_vacation#United_State...
    - lonelappde 7y ago
      Fine, spring an fall break for farming.
- Talanes 7y ago
  > Washing dishes doesn't teach you anything important You must be a lovely roommate.
  - op00to 7y ago
    I had horrible parents that were not super loving to me, but I remember a moment where my dad explained why the soap bubbles increased when using hot water. I miss you dad.
claudiawerner 7y ago
>Edit: It seems like "kids" here might be referring to smaller children acting like teenagers. Even in that case, I think little kids playing with toys and games all day is fairly new. Most were doing chores or actual work throughout history. The KGOY phenomenon tends to refer more to the sexualization (from skimpy wear for girls to glitz magazines for tweens to common widespread use of porn from age 10 and upwards) of children in media, and the effects that may have (if any) on the behaviour of children with regard to how they dress, talk, think, and act. That's what I gather from it, anyway. You can read more about it by searching up the phrase on Google Scholar.
- fiblye 7y ago
  It seems like someone downvoted you and I'm not sure why. I wasn't sure what KGOY really meant, but this seems to be the answer.
  - lonelappde 7y ago
    I thought it was kosher goys, like Madonna and Cory Booker.
- GeorgeWBasic 7y ago
  > common widespread use of porn from age 10 and upwards This is a thing now? Can you expand on this point? I mean, I shouldn't be surprised due to its widespread availability, but I still am.
  - lonelappde 7y ago
    Pubescent people like sex. Sexual imagery is freely and easily and discreetly available online now.
microtherion 7y ago
> I didn't look too much into this, but is it possible that the increase of censorship isn't just that Kidz Bop is stricter now, but that pop music today has more profanity? In the quiz, there were two songs featuring the word "champagne". In the older song, it was left intact, in the newer it was censored.
Hokusai 7y ago
> It's assumed that we're all legally kids until 18 now Not really. There is more nuisances when it comes to the law. e.g. In many places you cannot drink until you are 21, in other the age of being able to consent to sex is lower than that. Under eighteen can even be judged as adults in some extreme cases. Out of Hollywood movies things are not so clear cut. > Many of our ancestors were working jobs at 13 and some were having kids of their own. And you can find many examples of kids being traded as slaves or for sex work. I think that the purpose of society regulating how we tread minors is to not replicate past customs but to improve the well being of newer generations. The past was a world of scarcity and lack of knowledge, in the present we know better. > often being seen as a time to have fun, relax, and enjoy yourself without serious responsibility Some of the XXI century most tough decision are taken by teenagers as they decide what to study or not and shape their professional future. I hardly see how the self sacrifice and high level of discipline required to study are easier than a low skilled job. Children spending so much time studying instead of earning money is an investment in their future and our future far away from enjoy themselves. > Kidz Bop is teaching gender role conformity and race identification To break the cycle of inequality inherited from a past of segregation and xenophobia kids need to be able to learn with open possibilities about their own future. We can do better than previous generations, and I think that we owe that to future ones.
- balls187 7y ago
  > Under eighteen can even be judged as adults in some extreme cases Not "extreme cases" but "certain crimes" and in Oregon's case, certain crimes include Second degree assault, or a fist fight that results in a broken nose. https://www.socialworkers.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=30n7g-nwam8%3d&portalid=0 https://www.socialworkers.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=30n7...
- philwelch 7y ago
  > Some of the XXI century most tough decision are taken by teenagers as they decide what to study or not and shape their professional future. I hardly see how the self sacrifice and high level of discipline required to study are easier than a low skilled job. Children spending so much time studying instead of earning money is an investment in their future and our future far away from enjoy themselves. At least in the US I would say a minority of teenagers take that approach to their academic/career decisions.
michaelt 7y ago
> it possible that [...] pop music today has more profanity? Given that the chart starts in 2001, after the release of multi-platinum albums like Eminem's Slim Shady LP (1999) and NWA's Straight Outta Compton (1988) I would say that is more a question of boundaries between genres than a coarsening of language in the music 16 year olds are listening to.

by fiblye 7y ago

fennecfoxen 7y ago

> KGOY Really? I looked at the "Identity" section and sure, they just wrote out "lesbian transgender life" from Born This Way, but they also turned "find a man" into "find the one" and do similar things for "woman"... You can say many things about these replacements, but the one I'm not sure about is that the replacement is in the service of making kids get older, younger. It seems to me just like they just want to make all that into something anodyne, which if anything is the anti-KGOY... unless the alternative is neither Kidz Bop nor the original music, but instead, something more like Raffi? I'm not sure how realistic that is, though.

burkaman 7y ago
Reading the study they cite (https://urj.uccs.edu/index.php/urj/article/view/266 https://urj.uccs.edu/index.php/urj/article/view/266), it's not that the replacements have an agenda, it's that replacing a few lyrics doesn't really cover up the original intent of a song, and a lot of the songs they cover have non-kid-friendly themes. Another major complaint is the music videos tend to feature kids having fun by dancing around a big house with fancy clothes and expensive stuff, which romanticizes wealth and promotes consumerism. Lyrics romanticizing wealth like "can't you taste this gold" tend not to be censored. The basic idea is that playing the Kidz Bop version of a Flo Rida song for your kid is similar to showing them the airplane-censored version of Pulp Fiction. If they're too young for the real thing, they're probably too young for the censored version.
- welliman 7y ago
  That study looks like it was done by an undergrad and isn't peer reviewed. It is interesting, but probably should be taken with a grain of salt.
  - Klinky 7y ago
    So, it's basically the Kidz Bop version of properly peer-reviewed study?
    - welliman 7y ago
      Not really. The research seems to be relatively novel, not a watered down version of a different study being repeated by children as your comment would suggest. My point was that the research just wasn't overly prestigious.
      - Igelau 7y ago
        By trimming out novelty and leaving only prestige, we are left with the Kidz Bop version of knowledge.
- lonelappde 7y ago
  Right Kidz Bop Agenda is the opposite of KGOY, obviously, that's the whole reason it exists, but the researcher argues the task is doomed to failure. Also, As bad as wealth and consumerism are, they are just as bad for kids as adults.

knolax 7y ago

> Most were doing chores or actual work throughout history. I have to disagree, the young of other social animals like dogs and lions all spend most of their time "playing". This, combined with the fact that a human child is comparatively underdeveloped compared to the young of every other animal makes it hard to conceive of any useful task a child could do in a neolithic society. It's not like toys are some recent invention, they're one of the oldest types of artefact we dig up. I believe "chores" are a modern invention that exists mostly to act as busywork. Washing dishes doesn't teach you anything important but many types of play exist as a sort of simulation of adult life.

WalterBright 7y ago
Having summers off from school is so the kids can help out with the farm chores.
- _nhynes 7y ago
  I thought the same thing until I was recently introduced to the Wikipedia article [0] that suggests it’s actually for the purpose of family vacation. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_vacation#United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_vacation#United_State...
  - lonelappde 7y ago
    Fine, spring an fall break for farming.
Talanes 7y ago
> Washing dishes doesn't teach you anything important You must be a lovely roommate.
- op00to 7y ago
  I had horrible parents that were not super loving to me, but I remember a moment where my dad explained why the soap bubbles increased when using hot water. I miss you dad.

claudiawerner 7y ago

>Edit: It seems like "kids" here might be referring to smaller children acting like teenagers. Even in that case, I think little kids playing with toys and games all day is fairly new. Most were doing chores or actual work throughout history. The KGOY phenomenon tends to refer more to the sexualization (from skimpy wear for girls to glitz magazines for tweens to common widespread use of porn from age 10 and upwards) of children in media, and the effects that may have (if any) on the behaviour of children with regard to how they dress, talk, think, and act. That's what I gather from it, anyway. You can read more about it by searching up the phrase on Google Scholar.

fiblye 7y ago
It seems like someone downvoted you and I'm not sure why. I wasn't sure what KGOY really meant, but this seems to be the answer.
- lonelappde 7y ago
  I thought it was kosher goys, like Madonna and Cory Booker.
GeorgeWBasic 7y ago
> common widespread use of porn from age 10 and upwards This is a thing now? Can you expand on this point? I mean, I shouldn't be surprised due to its widespread availability, but I still am.
- lonelappde 7y ago
  Pubescent people like sex. Sexual imagery is freely and easily and discreetly available online now.

microtherion 7y ago

> I didn't look too much into this, but is it possible that the increase of censorship isn't just that Kidz Bop is stricter now, but that pop music today has more profanity? In the quiz, there were two songs featuring the word "champagne". In the older song, it was left intact, in the newer it was censored.

Hokusai 7y ago

> It's assumed that we're all legally kids until 18 now Not really. There is more nuisances when it comes to the law. e.g. In many places you cannot drink until you are 21, in other the age of being able to consent to sex is lower than that. Under eighteen can even be judged as adults in some extreme cases. Out of Hollywood movies things are not so clear cut. > Many of our ancestors were working jobs at 13 and some were having kids of their own. And you can find many examples of kids being traded as slaves or for sex work. I think that the purpose of society regulating how we tread minors is to not replicate past customs but to improve the well being of newer generations. The past was a world of scarcity and lack of knowledge, in the present we know better. > often being seen as a time to have fun, relax, and enjoy yourself without serious responsibility Some of the XXI century most tough decision are taken by teenagers as they decide what to study or not and shape their professional future. I hardly see how the self sacrifice and high level of discipline required to study are easier than a low skilled job. Children spending so much time studying instead of earning money is an investment in their future and our future far away from enjoy themselves. > Kidz Bop is teaching gender role conformity and race identification To break the cycle of inequality inherited from a past of segregation and xenophobia kids need to be able to learn with open possibilities about their own future. We can do better than previous generations, and I think that we owe that to future ones.

balls187 7y ago
> Under eighteen can even be judged as adults in some extreme cases Not "extreme cases" but "certain crimes" and in Oregon's case, certain crimes include Second degree assault, or a fist fight that results in a broken nose. https://www.socialworkers.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=30n7g-nwam8%3d&portalid=0 https://www.socialworkers.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=30n7...
philwelch 7y ago
> Some of the XXI century most tough decision are taken by teenagers as they decide what to study or not and shape their professional future. I hardly see how the self sacrifice and high level of discipline required to study are easier than a low skilled job. Children spending so much time studying instead of earning money is an investment in their future and our future far away from enjoy themselves. At least in the US I would say a minority of teenagers take that approach to their academic/career decisions.

michaelt 7y ago

> it possible that [...] pop music today has more profanity? Given that the chart starts in 2001, after the release of multi-platinum albums like Eminem's Slim Shady LP (1999) and NWA's Straight Outta Compton (1988) I would say that is more a question of boundaries between genres than a coarsening of language in the music 16 year olds are listening to.