I agree that people make that point, and I agree that it's a good one. But it's irrelevant to this sub-thread, which started with me attempting to convince smt8

I agree that people make that point, and I agree that it's a good one. But it's irrelevant to this sub-thread, which started with me attempting to convince smt88 that they were misrepresenting the opinion of the people they were laughing at.