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>If those things are fixed, then suddenly gig work is amazing, but that's a pretty big ask. There is no fixing these things. They are a feature, not a bug. The

>If those things are fixed, then suddenly gig work is amazing, but that's a pretty big ask. There is no fixing these things. They are a feature, not a bug. The entire viability of these businesses exists within the margin created by stripping away any vestige of traditional employment stability, allowing desperate people to exchange their long term wellbeing for short term cash.

xrendan 7y ago
Eh, a significant portion of the first problem is solved by simply having single payer healthcare like most developed countries (except the States) has.
- bgorman 7y ago
  Or we could simply remove the tax break for employer based healthcare and let the market readjust.
  - rhapsodic 7y ago
    And while we're add it, make health insurance premiums paid by individuals 100% deductable from their federal income tax.
  - SaxonRobber 7y ago
    I think this readjustment would tend towards extracting more money from fewer people who can pay and letting the rest go without care.
  - ogre_codes 7y ago
    > remove the tax break for employer based healthcare This is a big part of the problem, but I don't think it would fix everything by a long shot.
- DamnYuppie 7y ago
  You do realize that in fact most developed countries actually have a healthcare system much like the US. Also most of the countries with a single payer health system have 3rd party health insurance that can be purchased. A true one payor only plan is the exception not the rule.
  - stormbrew 7y ago
    > You do realize that in fact most developed countries actually have a healthcare system much like the US. You're gonna have to work a lot harder than you are here to make this point pass muster. It's pretty blatantly untrue. Yes, supplemental insurance is often a thing that exists. It's generally nothing like the US system's insurance though.
  - aliceryhl 7y ago
    I'm from Denmark, and the fact that certain parts of our healthcare system are not part of the single-payer system, and the fact that you can buy insurance for these things, really really does not make it a healthcare system much like the US'.
- bhupy 7y ago
  Universal healthcare doesn't necessarily have to be single-payer, lots of countries have multi-payer healthcare systems, like Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Singapore. In the Netherlands and Switzerland, all health insurance is provided by regulated private payers.
smallgovt 7y ago
> The entire viability of these businesses exists within the margin created by stripping away any vestige of traditional employment stability That's a stretch. Even if Uber/Lyft were forced to employ their drivers, they would most likely just raise prices and cut marketing costs. Sure, they'd be much smaller businesses, but they'd very likely still live on. Uber pays their drivers ~$7b a year. Employing them would cost an extra ~$2.1B/yr. Self driving cars are probably coming in 10 years, so even if they didn't increase prices or make any other changes in their operating model, they'd need to raise $21B to hold them over. That's not a small amount of money, but Uber's market cap is $54B.

xrendan 7y ago

Eh, a significant portion of the first problem is solved by simply having single payer healthcare like most developed countries (except the States) has.

bgorman 7y ago
Or we could simply remove the tax break for employer based healthcare and let the market readjust.
- rhapsodic 7y ago
  And while we're add it, make health insurance premiums paid by individuals 100% deductable from their federal income tax.
- SaxonRobber 7y ago
  I think this readjustment would tend towards extracting more money from fewer people who can pay and letting the rest go without care.
- ogre_codes 7y ago
  > remove the tax break for employer based healthcare This is a big part of the problem, but I don't think it would fix everything by a long shot.
DamnYuppie 7y ago
You do realize that in fact most developed countries actually have a healthcare system much like the US. Also most of the countries with a single payer health system have 3rd party health insurance that can be purchased. A true one payor only plan is the exception not the rule.
- stormbrew 7y ago
  > You do realize that in fact most developed countries actually have a healthcare system much like the US. You're gonna have to work a lot harder than you are here to make this point pass muster. It's pretty blatantly untrue. Yes, supplemental insurance is often a thing that exists. It's generally nothing like the US system's insurance though.
- aliceryhl 7y ago
  I'm from Denmark, and the fact that certain parts of our healthcare system are not part of the single-payer system, and the fact that you can buy insurance for these things, really really does not make it a healthcare system much like the US'.
bhupy 7y ago
Universal healthcare doesn't necessarily have to be single-payer, lots of countries have multi-payer healthcare systems, like Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Singapore. In the Netherlands and Switzerland, all health insurance is provided by regulated private payers.

smallgovt 7y ago

> The entire viability of these businesses exists within the margin created by stripping away any vestige of traditional employment stability That's a stretch. Even if Uber/Lyft were forced to employ their drivers, they would most likely just raise prices and cut marketing costs. Sure, they'd be much smaller businesses, but they'd very likely still live on. Uber pays their drivers ~$7b a year. Employing them would cost an extra ~$2.1B/yr. Self driving cars are probably coming in 10 years, so even if they didn't increase prices or make any other changes in their operating model, they'd need to raise $21B to hold them over. That's not a small amount of money, but Uber's market cap is $54B.