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Over and over it seems like we've reached peak STEM career grooming and then there's more
by fenwick67 7y ago
Over and over it seems like we've reached peak STEM career grooming and then there's more
- chrisseaton 7y agoWhat a nasty way to refer to someone offering free educational resources.
- saagarjha 7y ago"Amazon Future Engineer" is a remarkably poor name for your free CS educational resources.
- chrisseaton 7y agoI don't think so - they're saying you could work for them if you wanted to and it's an achievable goal. For a lot of people the idea of working at somewhere like Amazon probably seems an insurmountable challenge if they don't have access to quality education. Try to see the good in things and not be a cynic.
- tenaciousDaniel 7y agoI helped a friend out with his Amazon application. I had never applied for a position there before. I thought I was a competent engineer, but their questions were crazy and made me realize that there's a lot I still have to learn. I don't see anything wrong with the title. It's a harder interview than most.
- apazzolini 7y agoI agree with trying to see the good in things. But as the saying goes, fool me five hundred times...
- saagarjha 7y agoComing from Amazon themselves, it seems like they're preparing you specifically for a job at Amazon and not with transferrable skills.
- ntsplnkv2 7y agoPerhaps Amazon should look inward and focus on its image a little more and perhaps people would be a little less cynical.
- tnel77 7y agoIt’s from Amazon. It’s in their interest to promote themselves.
- nikofeyn 7y agotheir comment was in no way "nasty", it's a bit of a sideways comment to imply so, and you are completely ignoring the real motivation behind something like this and the problems with company's complaints on having a supposed shortage of STEM candidates. the whole STEM "crisis" is born out of companies wanting people already trained to do the job they want them to do rather than training them. and more specifically, companies want software engineers already trained specifically how they want. movements like this have had a detrimental effect on other roles that society needs. so yes, someone is offering free educational resources, but that someone is a massive multinational corporation whose scale drives them to seek benefits from society, and not the other way around. and amazon's size and influence yields them a lot of power. there is also a larger societal problem in that we cannot solve humanity's problems through technology alone, which STEM efforts completely ignore.
- chrisseaton 7y ago> their comment was in no way "nasty" 'Grooming' implies it's comparable to sexually coercing minors.
- stagger87 7y agoYes, that is one definition. There are others.
- nikofeyn 7y agono it doesn't, especially in this context. what are you talking about?
- chrisseaton 7y agohttps://www.nspcc.org.uk/what-is-child-abuse/types-of-abuse/grooming/#what-is https://www.nspcc.org.uk/what-is-child-abuse/types-of-abuse/... https://www.survivorsuk.org/question/grooming/ https://www.survivorsuk.org/question/grooming/
- lghh 7y agoAgile stories are in a really weird spot lexically then.
- dqpb 7y agoThe more the better. The US population is saturated with incompetence. We need fewer math illiterate science deniers and more people who know how to think.
- runawaybottle 7y agoAnd so you believe web developers are like the paragon of critical thinkers this country really needs a massive influx of? You know a vast majority of us can’t critically think our way out of using cookie cutter bleeding edge stacks right? Frontend development alone is chock full of people that use flavor of the month tech without critically thinking about why. We are not this elite group of critical thinkers just because we do a perceived ancillary “science” related profession (as in it’s not related to science at all, it’s just technical).
- dbtc 7y agoPlus, a depressingly huge amount of the industry's product seems to depend on mindless consumption.
- rriepe 7y agoThis whole thing is interesting to me because denial is inherently a form of critical thought. Whereas to simply agree with whatever authorities are around you don't need to think critically at all. Any group of "deniers" is naturally going to have more critical thinkers than a group that would use the term "denier" for those who disagree.
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- whytaka 7y agoThat's lacking in critical thought. A denier isn't necessarily a denier because they contest common wisdom. They may easily be deniers simply because they have other authorities they adhere to more.
- brennanpeterson 7y ago
- kpmcc 7y agoOptimistic take: oh that's nice more educational materials Cynical take: Damn they really want to pay Software Engineers less.
- tnel77 7y ago“Anyone can learn to write code. Very few can write good code.” -Former Tech Lead Strive to write good software via intelligent design and collaboration with your peers and you will continue to make great money.
- SaxonRobber 7y agoAnd stay away from flavour of the month dominated domains.
- csours 7y agoEven fewer can write good code in a timely manner. I can write good code, but it takes me a long time.
- WoahNoun 7y agoThey can't find enough engineers at the rates they currently pay. The realistic take is probably somewhere in between.
- throw1234651234 7y agoIs it true that Amazon has the worst pay/conditions among FAANGs?
- golergka 7y agoIt's the same take.
- booleandilemma 7y agoThey're not going to stop until they can hire programmers out of high school and pay them 35k. That is the goal here. Hey, by the time they're a senior, they'll be making 70k!
- commandlinefan 7y agoWell... one of two things is true: that's either possible, or it's impossible. If it's possible, then no amount of us being upset or disappointed in it is going to change things - we'll be the last generation of well-compensated programmers, and probably the last generation or programmers who don't do that job while studying for a "better" job on the side. If it's impossible, they'll continue to smash things and thrash around like a bull in a china shop, leaving devastation and destruction in their wake as they demand to have their way for decades and centuries to come, making our lives miserable the whole time (or they'll come to their senses and realize they were being unreasonable, but my money is on the former).
- resist_futility 7y agoSo no student loan debt and making 70k after 4-5 years, whats the downside? Especially if they can work from home.
- ntsplnkv2 7y agoI highly doubt they will be making 70k after 4-5 years if programmers can be competent out of a high school education.
- nobleach 7y agoAgreed. If we flood the market with programmers, the bar will most likely be raised... or salaries will simply decrease. To be clear, I still agree with teaching STEM as much as possible and bringing on the flood.
- Der_Einzige 7y agoSo, like they do in Europe?