3 ms·

Occam’s Razor. Zoom usage went up by 8x in a few months. Usually doubling in two years is great for a public company. So that’s 6 years of great growth, compres

by lacker 7y ago

Occam’s Razor. Zoom usage went up by 8x in a few months. Usually doubling in two years is great for a public company. So that’s 6 years of great growth, compressed into a few months. It shouldn’t be surprising to see six years of security problems also compressed into those three months. I think Zoom is on track to fix these problems quickly and cement their spot as the best solution for videoconferencing.

ergothus 7y ago
Zoom had the same security issues with half the traffic. Acting like usage causes them is disingenuous. Technically speaking, zoom has shown off great and remarkably stable/scalable features. But that is orthogonal to whether they are putting people at risk (e.g. not-so-secret therapy sessions) or lying about their feature set (clearly claiming to have end to end encryption).
- dangus 7y ago
  Devil's advocate, I guess: 8 times the users, 8 times (at least) the number of people to notice those problems. Especially when work from home is now at the center of our conversation, and journalistic outlets shift their attention to newly-popular services like Zoom and Houseparty. Regarding your last example, I'm also continually confused at the claim that Zoom has been lying about end-to-end encryption. I don't see any place where they ever claimed to encrypt anything end-to-end except for chats, and only after enabling the feature: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/207599823-End-To-End-Encryption-for-Chat https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/207599823-End-To-E... https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362723-Encryption-for-Meetings https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362723-Encrypti... When I'm in a Zoom meeting, it says that my connection is encrypted (the green E lock thing). It does not say "end-to-end." So I always assumed that just meant that the transport layer is encrypted.
  - lonelappde 7y ago
    They removed the e2e claim after criticism.
- skrebbel 7y ago
  That's a straw man. GP argues that Zoom's increased popularity implies increased public scrutiny. Not that the problems are OK. There's lots and lots of insecure software that Bloomberg doesn't write about. People click on articles about software they use.
  - ergothus 7y ago
    I'm not following your argument. I agree that increased scrutiny does not make the problem ok, but does reveal the problems more quickly. But the only reason those points matter in the "Should I use Zoom?" question is if you're assuming all other products have the same flaws and just haven't been looked at. To which, I'm pretty confident they don't all share these problems, particularly but not limited to the "blatantly lied about the basic security features".
    - ethbro 7y ago
      > To which, I'm pretty confident [other products] don't all share these problems I am not confident of this. I would assume that anything that isn't actively being sold into the large enterprise market has Zoom-level problems, or worse.
  - cat199 7y ago
    if bloomberg broke this (not sure), they are fully known to monetarily reward market-moving stories. sources easily searchable. If I were a writer/editor working under this policy, making a big stink about a teleconferencing company enjoying huge growth in the current covid 19 climate would be a no brainer.

by lacker 7y ago

ergothus 7y ago

Zoom had the same security issues with half the traffic. Acting like usage causes them is disingenuous. Technically speaking, zoom has shown off great and remarkably stable/scalable features. But that is orthogonal to whether they are putting people at risk (e.g. not-so-secret therapy sessions) or lying about their feature set (clearly claiming to have end to end encryption).

dangus 7y ago
Devil's advocate, I guess: 8 times the users, 8 times (at least) the number of people to notice those problems. Especially when work from home is now at the center of our conversation, and journalistic outlets shift their attention to newly-popular services like Zoom and Houseparty. Regarding your last example, I'm also continually confused at the claim that Zoom has been lying about end-to-end encryption. I don't see any place where they ever claimed to encrypt anything end-to-end except for chats, and only after enabling the feature: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/207599823-End-To-End-Encryption-for-Chat https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/207599823-End-To-E... https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362723-Encryption-for-Meetings https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362723-Encrypti... When I'm in a Zoom meeting, it says that my connection is encrypted (the green E lock thing). It does not say "end-to-end." So I always assumed that just meant that the transport layer is encrypted.
- lonelappde 7y ago
  They removed the e2e claim after criticism.
skrebbel 7y ago
That's a straw man. GP argues that Zoom's increased popularity implies increased public scrutiny. Not that the problems are OK. There's lots and lots of insecure software that Bloomberg doesn't write about. People click on articles about software they use.
- ergothus 7y ago
  I'm not following your argument. I agree that increased scrutiny does not make the problem ok, but does reveal the problems more quickly. But the only reason those points matter in the "Should I use Zoom?" question is if you're assuming all other products have the same flaws and just haven't been looked at. To which, I'm pretty confident they don't all share these problems, particularly but not limited to the "blatantly lied about the basic security features".
  - ethbro 7y ago
    > To which, I'm pretty confident [other products] don't all share these problems I am not confident of this. I would assume that anything that isn't actively being sold into the large enterprise market has Zoom-level problems, or worse.
- cat199 7y ago
  if bloomberg broke this (not sure), they are fully known to monetarily reward market-moving stories. sources easily searchable. If I were a writer/editor working under this policy, making a big stink about a teleconferencing company enjoying huge growth in the current covid 19 climate would be a no brainer.