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Bernie Sanders Suspends Presidential Bid
- deg4uss3r 7y agoShit.
- Hongwei 7y agoAnyone know who his VP pick will be? I know this won't happen but it'd be funny if he picked Obama.
- arthurcolle 7y agoI feel like it'll probably be Kamala
- tfandango 7y agoSeems like he should pick someone who will help him nab a swing state, also seems weird to me after that busing dust-up.
- sremani 7y agoKamala Harris (take it to the bank!)
- dralley 7y agoObviously nobody knows that. Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Gretchen Whitmer, or Tammy Baldwin seem like reasonable guesses.
- arthurcolle 7y agoI don't think he would pick Elizabeth Warren. She's a powerful ally in the Senate.
- raydev 7y agoHer seat may be in danger, though.
- arthurcolle 7y agoIs that right? Didn't know, TIL. Don't really follow politics all that closely, although I am disappointed that Bernie didn't make it through these primaries.
- RickJWagner 7y agoHe did say he'd pick a woman of color. Warren would have to re-assert her native American ancestry.
- cfqycwz 7y agoIirc only people who would be eligible for the presidency can be elected as VP, which would disqualify Obama. This is the same reason Bernie couldn't have chosen AOC as his running mate
- GavinMcG 7y agoThere is no such restriction. Article II never specified any limit on how long someone could serve. The 22nd Amendment limits only who can be elected to the office of President. Since a VP becomes President through devolution, not election, it doesn't limit who may serve as VP.
- dudul 7y agoIsn't there a 10 year limit as well though? Especially for this case where someone serves as president without being elected? That being said, I'm not sure either if the restriction in the parent exists. Edit: a reference I found afterwards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_of_office#Federal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_of_office#Federal
- GavinMcG 7y agoNot exactly. The 22nd Amendment would prohibit the second election of someone who had served for more than two years without having been elected. For example, if Gerald Ford had been elected president after he finished Nixon's term, he would be ineligible to be elected a second time, since he initially served for a little over two years and five months. That doesn't change the fact that the 22nd Amendment only restricts the election of a president. If someone has already served in the office for ten years, they could still be the VP who upon whom the presidency devolves, because there is no constitutional restriction on such eligibility.
- ardy42 7y ago> The 22nd Amendment limits only who can be elected to the office of President. Since a VP becomes President through devolution, not election, it doesn't limit who may serve as VP. So it would be constitutional to give Obama a third term through a Putin-esque sham where Biden runs at the top of the ticket then immediately resigns after taking office?
- nogabebop23 7y agoI think he already committed to having a woman VP, so extra unlikely.
- AnimalMuppet 7y agoThere's another Obama, you know. [Edit: Though I don't think that's what Hongwei meant...]
- e15ctr0n 7y agoYes, Michelle Obama.
- unixhero 7y agoThis is a crisis moment.
- ProAm 7y agoAnd on April 8th 2020 Trump was reelected.
- hacym 7y agoCare to explain why? You have no evidence as to why that would be, I assume. The viability of Sanders' campaign is a serious question and is why he wasn't nominated. If there had been resounding support for him as a candidate, he would have been nominated... I understand that his campaign and supporters will make some argument about how it's the DNC holding him down, or some conspiracy, or whatever, but the reality is that he isn't/wasn't/won't be viable in a general election against Trump. Socialism, or whatever Bernie wants to sell himself as does not sell to the broader electorate that is going to have to be captured in November.
- AnimalMuppet 7y agoIn my view, Sanders wasn't viable to win the primary once there were only two candidates. But I think he might possibly have had a better shot at beating Trump than Biden, because Trump is a populist. Running another populist against him divides those who are looking for "something different" as opposed to "business as usual" - especially of some of those who voted for "something different" decide that they haven't actually gotten much from Trump. On the other hand, there are people who think that Sanders was too extreme to be elected, and those people may well be right. TL;DR: I don't know. I'm not sure either Biden or Sanders could beat Trump.
- ardy42 7y ago> In my view, Sanders wasn't viable to win the primary once there were only two candidates. But I think he might possibly have had a better shot at beating Trump than Biden, because Trump is a populist. Running another populist against him divides those who are looking for "something different" as opposed to "business as usual" - especially of some of those who voted for "something different" decide that they haven't actually gotten much from Trump. For that reason, I think Biden should really pick a VP with populist bona fides, or at least someone who's willing to imagine something beyond a slightly tweaked status quo.
- haunter 7y agoOdds on Trump reelection is 1/1 on most betting site. Maybe the safest bet ever with a good return
- dralley 7y agoA cursory search of the top couple of betting sites proves this statement to be complete BS.
- haunter 7y agoBetfair gives 1.06/1 https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.128151441 https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.1281... Skybet is down to 10/11 https://m.skybet.com/politics/us-presidential-election/event/19989820 https://m.skybet.com/politics/us-presidential-election/event... Oddscheck on 1/1 https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics Betway is 0.8/1 https://sports.betway.com/en/sports/evt/1279338 https://sports.betway.com/en/sports/evt/1279338 Paddy is 13/8!! https://www.paddypower.com/politics/2020-us-presidential-election https://www.paddypower.com/politics/2020-us-presidential-ele...
- Kye 7y agoAre the predictions predictive? People come together to predict things that don't come to pass all the time.
- akvadrako 7y ago
- java-man 7y agowhy is this submission [flagged]?
- cardamomo 7y agoPolitics
- hacym 7y agoI feel this is off-topic to HackerNews, even if it's important to the people the view this site.
- ardy42 7y ago> why is this submission [flagged]? My guess is that it's purely politics, and there's a large number of users who just don't want to have purely political discussions. HN sometimes has decent threads about political policy on non hot-button issues, but threads about political personalities are unlikely to go well and are thus not worth the trouble.
- Kye 7y agoHN can be very arbitrary about this. This submission's topic is one step away from this one at over 1800 points a few years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201
- Kye 7y agoThis is substantial enough to warrant an exception to HN's usual preference for avoiding politics. You could (for example) discuss the way the covid-19 outbreak intersected with the primary or something like that if you don't want to talk about the candidates.
- golf3 7y agoSubstantial to you, not this site.
- AnimalMuppet 7y agoMeh, Sanders was dead in the water before Covid shut things down. Sanders was done as soon as it was down to him and Biden. The populist wing of the Democratic Party was enough to make Sanders win against five other candidates, but not strong enough to make him win against one centrist.
- adictator 7y agoAwesome. Another jihadi down.
- pan69 7y agoWell, damn, I guess that means that Trump will have a second term then. I mean, its unlikely that someone who voted for Trump last time will be voting for Biden this time. I think the Democratic party is missing the boat on this one. They're so busy pushing someone "presidential" that they are forgetting who the actual target audience is, Trump voters.
- meowface 7y ago>I think the Democratic party is missing the boat on this one. They're so busy pushing someone "presidential" that they are forgetting who the actual target audience is, Trump voters. Don't you mean the Democratic primary voters are missing the boat? Bernie's dropping out because he simply didn't get enough primary votes. Also, for all of Biden's problems, it's quite possible he'd do better than Bernie in the general election against Trump. Many undecided voters, and pretty much all past Trump supporters, strongly associate Bernie with communism, which is basically one level under "terrorism" in their mind. I say all of this as a Bernie supporter. Democrats were going to be very likely to lose the election whether it was Bernie or Biden. Yang, Gabbard, and Klobuchar would possibly have a higher chance in the general election, but that's also unclear.
- tree3 7y ago> I mean, its unlikely that someone who voted for Trump last time will be voting for Biden this time. Why do you say that? Voter turnout during primaries was higher than 2016, and Biden was doing well. Even though it may seem like Bernie is more popular on the internet, Biden is more popular among people that actually vote (older people).
- 93po 7y agoTrump is anti-establishment. Biden is as establishment as it gets. Trump is pro social security and Medicare. Biden wants to cut it. They're polar opposites in so many ways