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I’m more shocked that this massive tech industry has like one decent solution to remote video conferencing. Maybe we really have gone too far down the road of m

I’m more shocked that this massive tech industry has like one decent solution to remote video conferencing. Maybe we really have gone too far down the road of making bullshit apps, and stopped solving real problems. Shame on us.

kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
Shame on the telcos who prevent residential customers from using the internet as intended. If everyone was given an IPV6 address block and freedom to accept outside connections from anywhere, none of this would be an issue.
- cat199 7y ago
  agree on telcos preventing ppl from using internet as intended, but we'd still need good and easy to use videoconferencing software
- meowface 7y ago
  >freedom to accept outside connections from anywhere Without NAT from home gateways (like consumer routers) preventing inbound connections from the internet, security would be far more of a nightmare than it is today. Requiring that people manually forward specific ports is the best way to handle it. We would be seeing news about Blaster-like worms pretty much every week of the past 20 years, otherwise. Also, even if it were a good idea, this still wouldn't solve the problem at all. The NAT-traversing capability of Zoom and other products is like 0.01% of the value they provide. You still need good software.
icelancer 7y ago
MS Teams is pretty good, but it's Microsoft so people aren't using it as much. Which is understandable.
- jedberg 7y ago
  Teams and Hangouts have the same problem -- they are hard to set up. Zoom "just works". My in-laws joined a Zoom conference without help. There is no way they would have figured out Hangouts or Teams.
  - icelancer 7y ago
    Yeah, totally agree. Our company uses Zoom. I'm happy enough with it. I've been forced to use MS Teams though, and I actually like it a fair bit.
- midasz 7y ago
  And it runs on Ubuntu! To be honest I'd rather not use software made or hosted on US/Chinese/Russian soil but I don't really have much choice at my workplace. If it didn't ran on Ubuntu I'd dual boot to windows just for meetings. This would be a great time for some proper European alternatives.
wyclif 7y ago
And yet, almost nobody has commented on this sad state of affairs. You'd think there would be plenty of healthy competition in this space, but there is none. Why not?

kevin_thibedeau 7y ago

Shame on the telcos who prevent residential customers from using the internet as intended. If everyone was given an IPV6 address block and freedom to accept outside connections from anywhere, none of this would be an issue.

cat199 7y ago
agree on telcos preventing ppl from using internet as intended, but we'd still need good and easy to use videoconferencing software
meowface 7y ago
>freedom to accept outside connections from anywhere Without NAT from home gateways (like consumer routers) preventing inbound connections from the internet, security would be far more of a nightmare than it is today. Requiring that people manually forward specific ports is the best way to handle it. We would be seeing news about Blaster-like worms pretty much every week of the past 20 years, otherwise. Also, even if it were a good idea, this still wouldn't solve the problem at all. The NAT-traversing capability of Zoom and other products is like 0.01% of the value they provide. You still need good software.

icelancer 7y ago

MS Teams is pretty good, but it's Microsoft so people aren't using it as much. Which is understandable.

jedberg 7y ago
Teams and Hangouts have the same problem -- they are hard to set up. Zoom "just works". My in-laws joined a Zoom conference without help. There is no way they would have figured out Hangouts or Teams.
- icelancer 7y ago
  Yeah, totally agree. Our company uses Zoom. I'm happy enough with it. I've been forced to use MS Teams though, and I actually like it a fair bit.
midasz 7y ago
And it runs on Ubuntu! To be honest I'd rather not use software made or hosted on US/Chinese/Russian soil but I don't really have much choice at my workplace. If it didn't ran on Ubuntu I'd dual boot to windows just for meetings. This would be a great time for some proper European alternatives.

wyclif 7y ago

And yet, almost nobody has commented on this sad state of affairs. You'd think there would be plenty of healthy competition in this space, but there is none. Why not?