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All the more baffling why some countries are moving away from national identification and other digital signing initiatives to prove identity. E.g. the UK that

by zo1 7y ago

All the more baffling why some countries are moving away from national identification and other digital signing initiatives to prove identity. E.g. the UK that introduced and then subsequently dismantled a national ID card and database (apparently it was a "privacy" issue for the government to have a record of citizens?). Imagine this, a first world country, living in the dark ages essentially when it comes to identity.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
If you support national ID systems, please do your part to advocate for such systems whenever possible (as well as the necessary privacy and oversight controls). Progress is a function of effort. I'm working on the US side.
michaelt 7y ago
> (apparently it was a "privacy" issue for the government to have a record of citizens?) That's because there's a 95% chance they'll sell it to the likes of Equifax and Experian - what minister could resist the temptation to 'make the system pay for itself' while 'reducing fraud' and 'working with the private sector' - and a 100% chance one of them will then lose it in a breach.
VBprogrammer 7y ago
Just for what it's worth, a big part of the backlash against the national ID is that firstly we have a couple of decent proxies, for example driving licence and passport, and secondly we were being asked to pay for the privilege.
minikites 7y ago
Many people in the USA believe a "national ID" card is the work of actual Satan: https://countdown.org/en/entries/features/national-id-cards-and-mark-beast/ https://countdown.org/en/entries/features/national-id-cards-... >These ID cards are, however, preparing the way. The more people get used to some new government regulation, restriction, or provision, the more they tolerate it and eventually just learn to live with it. What may at first seem unthinkable and raise howls of protest, later becomes accepted by a few, then many, then most. And that’s how the Antichrist and his agents will capitalize on these compulsory ID cards to prepare the world for what’s next.
- fastball 7y ago
  I think "many" might be overselling it a bit relative to a population of ~330M.
  - minikites 7y ago
    People who believe that have incredible influence in our flawed political structure.
  - CamperBob2 7y ago
    Translation: Hi, I'm from New York or California, or maybe Seattle.
    - fastball 7y ago
      Huh? There are a lot of devout Christians in the US. The vast majority of them are not "end-times" truthers.
      - CamperBob2 7y ago
        The ones with political power are. It is exceedingly naive to claim otherwise. Google the term "Dominionism."
        fastball 7y ago
        Dominionism is not a clearly defined practice/group/sect/etc. The most inclusive definition is basically just "people with strong beliefs want to run the democracy they live in according to those beliefs", which doesn't seem like a surprising way for anyone to behave. Yet, take even the most expansive and uncharitable definition, and still "dominionism" =/= "the end times are at hand and there are signs everywhere of the coming anti-christ, such as national ID cards".
        CamperBob2 7y ago
        You're lecturing to someone who grew up around these people, and who, paradoxically, has only watched their influence grow over the last thirty years. So, yeah, thanks for that.

by zo1 7y ago

toomuchtodo 7y ago

If you support national ID systems, please do your part to advocate for such systems whenever possible (as well as the necessary privacy and oversight controls). Progress is a function of effort. I'm working on the US side.

michaelt 7y ago

> (apparently it was a "privacy" issue for the government to have a record of citizens?) That's because there's a 95% chance they'll sell it to the likes of Equifax and Experian - what minister could resist the temptation to 'make the system pay for itself' while 'reducing fraud' and 'working with the private sector' - and a 100% chance one of them will then lose it in a breach.

VBprogrammer 7y ago

Just for what it's worth, a big part of the backlash against the national ID is that firstly we have a couple of decent proxies, for example driving licence and passport, and secondly we were being asked to pay for the privilege.

minikites 7y ago

Many people in the USA believe a "national ID" card is the work of actual Satan: https://countdown.org/en/entries/features/national-id-cards-and-mark-beast/ https://countdown.org/en/entries/features/national-id-cards-... >These ID cards are, however, preparing the way. The more people get used to some new government regulation, restriction, or provision, the more they tolerate it and eventually just learn to live with it. What may at first seem unthinkable and raise howls of protest, later becomes accepted by a few, then many, then most. And that’s how the Antichrist and his agents will capitalize on these compulsory ID cards to prepare the world for what’s next.

fastball 7y ago
I think "many" might be overselling it a bit relative to a population of ~330M.
- minikites 7y ago
  People who believe that have incredible influence in our flawed political structure.
- CamperBob2 7y ago
  Translation: Hi, I'm from New York or California, or maybe Seattle.
  - fastball 7y ago
    Huh? There are a lot of devout Christians in the US. The vast majority of them are not "end-times" truthers.
    - CamperBob2 7y ago
      The ones with political power are. It is exceedingly naive to claim otherwise. Google the term "Dominionism."
      - fastball 7y ago
        Dominionism is not a clearly defined practice/group/sect/etc. The most inclusive definition is basically just "people with strong beliefs want to run the democracy they live in according to those beliefs", which doesn't seem like a surprising way for anyone to behave. Yet, take even the most expansive and uncharitable definition, and still "dominionism" =/= "the end times are at hand and there are signs everywhere of the coming anti-christ, such as national ID cards".
        CamperBob2 7y ago
        You're lecturing to someone who grew up around these people, and who, paradoxically, has only watched their influence grow over the last thirty years. So, yeah, thanks for that.