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> Has the author seen an actual police state? Have you? It usually starts with people excusing and defending police state behavior. And usually happens during

> Has the author seen an actual police state? Have you? It usually starts with people excusing and defending police state behavior. And usually happens during "days of chaos and confusion". > As long as Americans see the police force as an evil to be starved We see the police, like government/etc, as necessary evils. > instead of a social necessity to be filled with capable people with proper training, the police will never get the funding or oversight needed for improvement. What? Police are already well funded. Some police department are funded better than armies. > The cycle continues. Hopefully as it is the only way to maintain a free and civil society. The state naturally tends toward tyranny and a free people naturally tend toward anarchy. If the "cycle" doesn't exist, it means we are living in a tyranny or anarchy.

yongjik 7y ago
> > Has the author seen an actual police state? > Have you? Yes. > It usually starts with people excusing and defending police state behavior. I can only speak for my own country, but it started with America cutting a deal with the Soviet Union, several prominent leaders getting assassinated during partisan conflicts, and America picking what they imagined was a safe bet which turned out to be a human butcher. (Well, to be fair, it wasn't like the US deliberately chose a bad guy - they picked someone with a Princeton PhD.) But I can tell you how a country gets out of police state. It doesn't involve people doing whatever they want because it's their freedom. It involves people sacrificing their own freedom for the greater good, standing in front of total strangers facing the police, and saying "I don't know them, but they are my brothers. If you want to shoot them, you will have to shoot me first." In other words, if your "police state behavior" is telling people to go home during an ongoing pandemic, it belongs to "not even wrong" category. BTW, I don't believe the police are well funded in the US in general. Maybe in some sector. (And the funding could definitely become smarter.) But when residents of a major city (SF) have to avoid used needles on the street, it seems pretty clear to me that there aren't enough police to serve these people. (Well, maybe there are enough police officers but they're all deployed in doing something useless - which would mean we can't afford to hire competent managers.)
- dntbnmpls 7y ago
  > But I can tell you how a country gets out of police state. The point is to not get into a police state in the first state. You get into police state by being compliant and being manipulated by fear. Slowly but surely, they take all your rights and condition you to slavishly obey. > and saying "I don't know them, but they are my brothers. If you want to shoot them, you will have to shoot me first." That's most definitely not how police states end. Police states would shoot you or take you away and make you disappear. Maybe you weren't in a police state to begin with? > In other words, if your "police state behavior" is telling people to go home during an ongoing pandemic, it belongs to "not even wrong" category. See, you are completely missing the point. But then again, it might be because you were raised in a police state and have been conditioned to be obedient and subservient. It's hard to shake off a lifetime of bondage. > But when residents of a major city (SF) have to avoid used needles on the street, it seems pretty clear to me that there aren't enough police to serve these people. It has nothing to do with police pay. It has to do with laws/rights. Are you seriously contending that SF of all places is underfunding their cops? Also, SF drug problem is a societal problem not a police problem. But once again, those controlled by fear always to look the police to fix all their problems and hence you end up with a police state. Ultimately, people's mindset are to blame for police states. People naively and foolishly allow police states.

yongjik 7y ago

> > Has the author seen an actual police state? > Have you? Yes. > It usually starts with people excusing and defending police state behavior. I can only speak for my own country, but it started with America cutting a deal with the Soviet Union, several prominent leaders getting assassinated during partisan conflicts, and America picking what they imagined was a safe bet which turned out to be a human butcher. (Well, to be fair, it wasn't like the US deliberately chose a bad guy - they picked someone with a Princeton PhD.) But I can tell you how a country gets out of police state. It doesn't involve people doing whatever they want because it's their freedom. It involves people sacrificing their own freedom for the greater good, standing in front of total strangers facing the police, and saying "I don't know them, but they are my brothers. If you want to shoot them, you will have to shoot me first." In other words, if your "police state behavior" is telling people to go home during an ongoing pandemic, it belongs to "not even wrong" category. BTW, I don't believe the police are well funded in the US in general. Maybe in some sector. (And the funding could definitely become smarter.) But when residents of a major city (SF) have to avoid used needles on the street, it seems pretty clear to me that there aren't enough police to serve these people. (Well, maybe there are enough police officers but they're all deployed in doing something useless - which would mean we can't afford to hire competent managers.)

dntbnmpls 7y ago
> But I can tell you how a country gets out of police state. The point is to not get into a police state in the first state. You get into police state by being compliant and being manipulated by fear. Slowly but surely, they take all your rights and condition you to slavishly obey. > and saying "I don't know them, but they are my brothers. If you want to shoot them, you will have to shoot me first." That's most definitely not how police states end. Police states would shoot you or take you away and make you disappear. Maybe you weren't in a police state to begin with? > In other words, if your "police state behavior" is telling people to go home during an ongoing pandemic, it belongs to "not even wrong" category. See, you are completely missing the point. But then again, it might be because you were raised in a police state and have been conditioned to be obedient and subservient. It's hard to shake off a lifetime of bondage. > But when residents of a major city (SF) have to avoid used needles on the street, it seems pretty clear to me that there aren't enough police to serve these people. It has nothing to do with police pay. It has to do with laws/rights. Are you seriously contending that SF of all places is underfunding their cops? Also, SF drug problem is a societal problem not a police problem. But once again, those controlled by fear always to look the police to fix all their problems and hence you end up with a police state. Ultimately, people's mindset are to blame for police states. People naively and foolishly allow police states.