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Meanwhile, ICU admissions have fallen off a cliff last week in NY, https://twitter.com/RebeccaJarvis/status/1247546048291143681/photo/2 https://twitter.com/Reb

by m0zg 7y ago

Meanwhile, ICU admissions have fallen off a cliff last week in NY, https://twitter.com/RebeccaJarvis/status/1247546048291143681/photo/2 https://twitter.com/RebeccaJarvis/status/1247546048291143681... after they started giving HCQ to the patients en masse, at the long last. So they gave up their share of ventilators and they now project that they will not exceed capacity.

sneak 7y ago
The link you posted does not have any data to support your claim. As yet I have seen no data to support the effectiveness of HCQ for c19. I understand that testing is still underway and that assumption for or against is entirely premature.
- m0zg 7y ago
  Pray tell, what else could have caused ICU admissions to drop so precipitously?
  - redis_mlc 7y ago
    It is interesting that people are avoiding emergency care, but some reasons to look into: 1) A lot of hospital visits are from "frequent flyers" - lonely people, homeless people trying to get a free meal, etc. These frequent flyers try to go every day, consuming 1000x more resources than a normal person. (I've met some.) They may be afraid of catching corona virus this month. 2) Depending on the area of the US, you either get a lot of gunshot wounds (Chicago) or car accidents. With lockdown, there's less going on in the streets. 3) Also, uninsured people may be going to the hospital as a last resort in order to avoid getting corona virus. For example, those without insurance may just be waiting for the all clear to drop by again. (In the US, the fallback for no insurance is to go to the emergency ward.)
    - m0zg 7y ago
      This is not "ER". This is ICU, AKA intubations nowadays. Cuomo had this chart in his presser.
      - redis_mlc 7y ago
        You have a point, but most of the items I mentioned involve ICU (gunshots, car accidents, fake ambulance calls for lunch) which should be down during lockdown.
        m0zg 7y ago
        There are not a lot of car accidents right now.

by m0zg 7y ago

sneak 7y ago

The link you posted does not have any data to support your claim. As yet I have seen no data to support the effectiveness of HCQ for c19. I understand that testing is still underway and that assumption for or against is entirely premature.

m0zg 7y ago
Pray tell, what else could have caused ICU admissions to drop so precipitously?
- redis_mlc 7y ago
  It is interesting that people are avoiding emergency care, but some reasons to look into: 1) A lot of hospital visits are from "frequent flyers" - lonely people, homeless people trying to get a free meal, etc. These frequent flyers try to go every day, consuming 1000x more resources than a normal person. (I've met some.) They may be afraid of catching corona virus this month. 2) Depending on the area of the US, you either get a lot of gunshot wounds (Chicago) or car accidents. With lockdown, there's less going on in the streets. 3) Also, uninsured people may be going to the hospital as a last resort in order to avoid getting corona virus. For example, those without insurance may just be waiting for the all clear to drop by again. (In the US, the fallback for no insurance is to go to the emergency ward.)
  - m0zg 7y ago
    This is not "ER". This is ICU, AKA intubations nowadays. Cuomo had this chart in his presser.
    - redis_mlc 7y ago
      You have a point, but most of the items I mentioned involve ICU (gunshots, car accidents, fake ambulance calls for lunch) which should be down during lockdown.
      - m0zg 7y ago
        There are not a lot of car accidents right now.