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Good luck passing Calculus II if you were given a passing grade in Calculus I without actually learning the material. There are plenty of other courses that wil

Good luck passing Calculus II if you were given a passing grade in Calculus I without actually learning the material. There are plenty of other courses that will run into the same problem if their prereqs aren't actually mastered.

dillonmckay 7y ago
Exactly. Not to mention, any decent hiring manager that knows of this event, if it does occur, would be more suspect of any graduate of Yale (if they attended during the academic period in question) versus an equivalent Ivy. As the article mentioned, campus is the great equalizer for students of different backgrounds, so give each student a check for the full retail cost of a semester’s tuition and expenses, paid from the school’s endowment, and remove the class from their transcript. [update] edited for clarity
- duxup 7y ago
  >if it does occur, would be more suspect of any graduate of Yale versus an equivalent Ivy Would they? Because this one thing might have happened one semester they would decide that individual is less qualified?
  - dillonmckay 7y ago
    Yes. You think there will be alot of folks to choose from?
    - duxup 7y ago
      I'm not following, are you saying in this scenario there are a lot of ivy applications?
      - dillonmckay 7y ago
        In the reality of what is about to happen to our world and the US economy and job market, there will be many more job applications than jobs. I would rather hire the person that graduated from Yale a few years ago versus the one hopefully graduating next year, even for a fully remote position.
  - CydeWeys 7y ago
    Plus this is happening to pretty much everyone currently in school (at any age). Learning is being massively disrupted everywhere, not just at Yale.
drdaeman 7y ago
This. Education is not about passing the exams, it's about learning things. Although, I do get the rationale for wanting a free pass. Cynically speaking... An authentic Yale diploma must be worth a lot.
- jdavis703 7y ago
  If education is about learning things (and not exams), then it follows the grade doesn’t matter. If a student feels confident they will have learned enough Calc I to take Calc II for the fall semester, then why not let them?
  - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
    > If a student feels confident they will have learned enough Calc I to take Calc II for the fall semester, then why not let them? Limited seats and the Dunning-Krueger effect [1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
  - gbronner 7y ago
    At many Ivy league schools, prereqs serve mostly to tell the students what they should know before taking the class, not as deterrents to actually trying. Often the professors will waive the requirements after a brief interview. I've seen plenty of 18 year olds in graduate classes, and I've seen highly talented students simply read the books for the prerequisite math classes and do quite well.
philipov 7y ago
My little brother is currently attending RIT and what they did is allow anyone to take any course Pass-Fail. It's not an automatic pass, but it does mean it won't screw over your GPA if events have impacted your ability to perform.
- dbcurtis 7y ago
  MIT made all classes this semester effectively pass/fail. Makes sense to me. It has been wrenching, with different impact depending on each student's situation.
  - dillonmckay 7y ago
    Is that how freshman year is graded, regardless?
    - dbcurtis 7y ago
      First semester only.
- ModernMech 7y ago
  This has an issue at most schools where a "Passed" class cannot be used as a prereq for another class (Because a D is a pass and a C is required to advance). At my school they had to invent a new type of pass/fail which counts as a pass if you get a C, and can be used as a prereq. One of the downsides is that from the teacher's perspective, we are not allowed to know who is electing to take this option. So if 90% of our class is taking pass fail and aiming for a C, we still have to grade as usual and wonder: are these kids just not trying or are they not getting the material.
Ralo 7y ago
I don't see it being a major issue for a single semester. If they were meant to fail Calc 1 and instead move to Calc 2, that's on them to learn the old material or they will fail. They'll be forced to relearn the material or continuously fail.
maerF0x0 7y ago
I learned this the hard way with a C+
duxup 7y ago
Is that the case? If someone did get an auto pass...do they know the material any more or less? What percentage would have failed anyway and will struggle in the next class because they should have failed?

dillonmckay 7y ago

Exactly. Not to mention, any decent hiring manager that knows of this event, if it does occur, would be more suspect of any graduate of Yale (if they attended during the academic period in question) versus an equivalent Ivy. As the article mentioned, campus is the great equalizer for students of different backgrounds, so give each student a check for the full retail cost of a semester’s tuition and expenses, paid from the school’s endowment, and remove the class from their transcript. [update] edited for clarity

duxup 7y ago
>if it does occur, would be more suspect of any graduate of Yale versus an equivalent Ivy Would they? Because this one thing might have happened one semester they would decide that individual is less qualified?
- dillonmckay 7y ago
  Yes. You think there will be alot of folks to choose from?
  - duxup 7y ago
    I'm not following, are you saying in this scenario there are a lot of ivy applications?
    - dillonmckay 7y ago
      In the reality of what is about to happen to our world and the US economy and job market, there will be many more job applications than jobs. I would rather hire the person that graduated from Yale a few years ago versus the one hopefully graduating next year, even for a fully remote position.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  Plus this is happening to pretty much everyone currently in school (at any age). Learning is being massively disrupted everywhere, not just at Yale.

drdaeman 7y ago

This. Education is not about passing the exams, it's about learning things. Although, I do get the rationale for wanting a free pass. Cynically speaking... An authentic Yale diploma must be worth a lot.

jdavis703 7y ago
If education is about learning things (and not exams), then it follows the grade doesn’t matter. If a student feels confident they will have learned enough Calc I to take Calc II for the fall semester, then why not let them?
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  > If a student feels confident they will have learned enough Calc I to take Calc II for the fall semester, then why not let them? Limited seats and the Dunning-Krueger effect [1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
- gbronner 7y ago
  At many Ivy league schools, prereqs serve mostly to tell the students what they should know before taking the class, not as deterrents to actually trying. Often the professors will waive the requirements after a brief interview. I've seen plenty of 18 year olds in graduate classes, and I've seen highly talented students simply read the books for the prerequisite math classes and do quite well.

philipov 7y ago

My little brother is currently attending RIT and what they did is allow anyone to take any course Pass-Fail. It's not an automatic pass, but it does mean it won't screw over your GPA if events have impacted your ability to perform.

dbcurtis 7y ago
MIT made all classes this semester effectively pass/fail. Makes sense to me. It has been wrenching, with different impact depending on each student's situation.
- dillonmckay 7y ago
  Is that how freshman year is graded, regardless?
  - dbcurtis 7y ago
    First semester only.
ModernMech 7y ago
This has an issue at most schools where a "Passed" class cannot be used as a prereq for another class (Because a D is a pass and a C is required to advance). At my school they had to invent a new type of pass/fail which counts as a pass if you get a C, and can be used as a prereq. One of the downsides is that from the teacher's perspective, we are not allowed to know who is electing to take this option. So if 90% of our class is taking pass fail and aiming for a C, we still have to grade as usual and wonder: are these kids just not trying or are they not getting the material.

Ralo 7y ago

I don't see it being a major issue for a single semester. If they were meant to fail Calc 1 and instead move to Calc 2, that's on them to learn the old material or they will fail. They'll be forced to relearn the material or continuously fail.

maerF0x0 7y ago

I learned this the hard way with a C+

duxup 7y ago

Is that the case? If someone did get an auto pass...do they know the material any more or less? What percentage would have failed anyway and will struggle in the next class because they should have failed?