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>Just wipe out the shareholders when the time for bailout comes... I don't understand why more people don't propose something along these lines. The answer see

>Just wipe out the shareholders when the time for bailout comes... I don't understand why more people don't propose something along these lines. The answer seems pretty obvious. If you don't believe that any company should be "too big to fail", that's valid, but it's not exactly the situation we have today. Secondly, those shareholders you speak of aren't just a small group of billionaires. Many of these companies make up substantial portions of people's returement savings, not to mention the knock on effects of huge businesses going under.

fredthomsen 7y ago
but moral hazard makes the management of these companies worse and worse everytime one gets bailed out
- EpicEng 7y ago
  Not for the banks after 2008. I think far more people should have been arrested, but the reason our banks have enough liquidity to ride this out is due to regulations out in place after the last bailout.
  - fapjacks 7y ago
    Sure, but you're talking about regulation of the companies, not the management within the companies themselves. I think the parent comment's point stands.
  - lowdose 7y ago
    Wasn't really needed with QE and being the first to profit of this free lunch.
vkou 7y ago
> Many of these companies make up substantial portions of people's returement savings If those people did the prudent thing, and invested into an index fund, as opposed to picking stocks of companies that are being ran irresponsibly, their retirement savings would, on aggregate, be fine. I'd rather not have everyone else's retirement-savings-to-be bail out those bad investments.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  >If those people did the prudent thing, and invested into an index fund, as opposed to picking stocks of companies that are being ran irresponsibly, their retirement savings would, on aggregate, be fine. Index funds go down with the market... but perhaps more importantly, there _has_ been a massive shift to index/ETF trading. You know what that did? Pumped up the market as a whole. Now individual business assessment is less valuable because businesses with crap fundamentals go up and up and up due to index buying. Just another bubble.

fredthomsen 7y ago

but moral hazard makes the management of these companies worse and worse everytime one gets bailed out

EpicEng 7y ago
Not for the banks after 2008. I think far more people should have been arrested, but the reason our banks have enough liquidity to ride this out is due to regulations out in place after the last bailout.
- fapjacks 7y ago
  Sure, but you're talking about regulation of the companies, not the management within the companies themselves. I think the parent comment's point stands.
- lowdose 7y ago
  Wasn't really needed with QE and being the first to profit of this free lunch.

vkou 7y ago

> Many of these companies make up substantial portions of people's returement savings If those people did the prudent thing, and invested into an index fund, as opposed to picking stocks of companies that are being ran irresponsibly, their retirement savings would, on aggregate, be fine. I'd rather not have everyone else's retirement-savings-to-be bail out those bad investments.

EpicEng 7y ago
>If those people did the prudent thing, and invested into an index fund, as opposed to picking stocks of companies that are being ran irresponsibly, their retirement savings would, on aggregate, be fine. Index funds go down with the market... but perhaps more importantly, there _has_ been a massive shift to index/ETF trading. You know what that did? Pumped up the market as a whole. Now individual business assessment is less valuable because businesses with crap fundamentals go up and up and up due to index buying. Just another bubble.