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There is no reason an SFU couldn't run everything over one port though! Then you can just use the 3-tuple to route stuff to the proper connection. Someone is d

There is no reason an SFU couldn't run everything over one port though! Then you can just use the 3-tuple to route stuff to the proper connection. Someone is doing this right now for Pion, really excited to see it. I am especially excited to see what it means for deploys, right now asking people to expose port ranges adds so much overhead vs 1 UDP and 1 TCP for media.

0az 7y ago
Can you elaborate on what this means?
- Sean-Der 7y ago
  Right now most SFUs start up an ICE Agent [0] and listen to a random port. ICE is used to establish the connection between two peers. Basically both sides exchange a list of peers, and try to find the best path. With an SFU you end up having thousands of remote peers each with their own port on your server. However you could easily listen on a single port and then handle the inbound packet depending on what the remote 3-tuple is (clients ip/port/protocol). Effectively you would just be running all your ICE Agents on one port, but doing one additional step of processing. I need to fill out [1] more to fully explain the idea, but I think it could make a huge difference when making it easier to deploy WebRTC SFUs. [0] https://github.com/pion/ice https://github.com/pion/ice [1] https://github.com/pion/webrtc/wiki/SinglePortMode https://github.com/pion/webrtc/wiki/SinglePortMode
  - gfodor 7y ago
    Yup that's a great point. I'd love to see this approach explored further. Is there any risk of tuple collisions in some bizarro NAT situation? I'd guess not, since the remote tuple needs to route to a single destination, but there's some weird stuff out there... eg one could imagine a router abusing the IP protocol to somehow route packets to different destinations despite them having the same return IP/port combo. i'm no networking wizard, but in general i assume if its possible, someone is doing it :)

0az 7y ago

Can you elaborate on what this means?

Sean-Der 7y ago
Right now most SFUs start up an ICE Agent [0] and listen to a random port. ICE is used to establish the connection between two peers. Basically both sides exchange a list of peers, and try to find the best path. With an SFU you end up having thousands of remote peers each with their own port on your server. However you could easily listen on a single port and then handle the inbound packet depending on what the remote 3-tuple is (clients ip/port/protocol). Effectively you would just be running all your ICE Agents on one port, but doing one additional step of processing. I need to fill out [1] more to fully explain the idea, but I think it could make a huge difference when making it easier to deploy WebRTC SFUs. [0] https://github.com/pion/ice https://github.com/pion/ice [1] https://github.com/pion/webrtc/wiki/SinglePortMode https://github.com/pion/webrtc/wiki/SinglePortMode
- gfodor 7y ago
  Yup that's a great point. I'd love to see this approach explored further. Is there any risk of tuple collisions in some bizarro NAT situation? I'd guess not, since the remote tuple needs to route to a single destination, but there's some weird stuff out there... eg one could imagine a router abusing the IP protocol to somehow route packets to different destinations despite them having the same return IP/port combo. i'm no networking wizard, but in general i assume if its possible, someone is doing it :)