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That's fine, but irrelevant. IE11 lives on because many corporations run software that requires it. There's a network effect, because links don't open the a b
by jmull 7y ago
That's fine, but irrelevant.
IE11 lives on because many corporations run software that requires it.
There's a network effect, because links don't open the a browser that's compatible with the destination, but in the same browser as the link. So the corp with one IE11 app wants to serve their intranet home page in IE11, and so they want everything to run in IE11.
There are mitigations and migration paths, but that's all swimming up-stream -- it incurs risk, and costs time and money -- so it happens slowly and only in spots.
To use Bootstrap 5 you have to answer this question: are corporations my customer, or could I ever pivot to a business strategy where corporations are my customer?
If you don't care about money, then you can just answer no if you want, and you'll be fine.
But the consumers you can reliably insist run modern browsers don't pay for websites (not directly), so if you are running a business you are either committed to an ad-driven model, physical goods model, with no b2b option, or you're going to keep IE11 in-play.
I just don't think most people want to make a far-reaching commitment about the nature of their future business before they develop their first web page. (They do it all the time, but not on purpose!) A framework like bootstrap should free you from coming to grips with all that, but bootstrap 5 pushes it into your face before you are probably ready for it.
- _bxg1 7y agoMy point is that they almost certainly have both IE and Edge installed. It's entirely possible to continue using IE for their legacy app and use Edge for everything else. In fact if their IT department cares at all about security, it should be pushing them to do so.
- marcthe12 7y agoAnothe comment mention that the Chromium edge will have IE mode so maybe we will have to convince IT use that
- gsnedders 7y ago*does have, it's shipped now!
- hombre_fatal 7y ago> To use Bootstrap 5 you have to answer this question: are corporations my customer, or could I ever pivot to a business strategy where corporations are my customer? > If you don't care about money, then you can just answer no if you want, and you'll be fine. You come off as weirdly bitter and hostile here. Obviously when you choose tech, you have to weigh the pros and cons. It's part of our job. Why is it not our job when picking the foundation framework for our web client? If you need IE11 support you can stay on Bootstrap 4 (we're still using Bootstrap 3!) or any of the other CSS frameworks. What's the problem? Also, most people aren't in a position where they might accidentally take on corporate business in the future, either. Seems like a weird niche position to hammer on. And if you were in that position yet you chose a framework that, what, only works in Firefox unstable nightly, then you made a bad call and maybe you'll learn from the decision. So what? Seems like weak reasoning for Bootstrap to never push the envelope when there is still Bootstrap 3 and 4 available. That's why they cut a new brand each time instead of just bumping semver on the same Bootstrap product. Every major version hop is basically a new framework.