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I've commented in the past about Zoom's close ties with China (beyond its engineering staff) but I didn't have sources, so I conceded and redacted some specific
by fermienrico 7y ago
I've commented in the past about Zoom's close ties with China (beyond its engineering staff) but I didn't have sources, so I conceded and redacted some specifics: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22738420 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22738420
WSJ just wrote an article interviewing the CEO and other security experts on this topic. Some interesting excerpts:
> In the U.S., 27 attorney general’s offices have raised questions about privacy issues, Zoom said, adding it is cooperating with authorities.
> Security researchers also have scrutinized Zoom’s links to China. Researchers at the Citizen Lab, a security research group affiliated with the University of Toronto, on Friday said Zoom used an encryption technology that is considered substandard, and that in certain circumstances the company stored encryption keys—long strings of numbers and characters that can be used to access encoded communications—on servers based in China.
> Brendan Ittelson, head of technical support at Zoom, said because of the distributed nature of the company’s infrastructure, meeting data can be routed through different data centers around the world. Zoom’s system first tries to send this data locally, but if the connections fail, the backup route might send it elsewhere.
> Zoom had created a system to prevent this data from being sent through China when calls originate in the U.S. But when traffic surged starting in February, some data was mistakenly routed that way, the company said, adding that it has remedied the problem. Critics also have questioned whether Zoom’s heavy reliance on China-based engineering could pose a security risk.
Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/zoom-ceo-i-really-messed-up-on-security-as-coronavirus-drove-video-tools-appeal-11586031129 https://www.wsj.com/articles/zoom-ceo-i-really-messed-up-on-...
Personal opinion: I think we should all boycott Zoom until there is a guarantee of where the data is stored with independent audits. In this pandemic, we've given our privacy (facial features, email, screen sharing, video data and application usage patterns) to Zoom in a whim. The entire world has done so. I have no trust in the Chinese Communist Party and their potential to exploit this data if they get it. Perhaps not in the immediate future, but may be in year 2027 - suppressing voices, threats and border control, detentions of people who spoke against the CCP during the pandemic or after caught using the facial AI technologies from the data collected today. This is real and we should all be concerned.
- rshnotsecure 7y agoThe links between Zoom and the Ministry of State Security (Chinese CIA) and the PLA are pretty profound. See this post I put together here: https://blog.12security.com/zoom-and-some-china-stuff/ https://blog.12security.com/zoom-and-some-china-stuff/ In particular the company Bizconf, a Zoom sister company, is led by an executive from the Harbin Institute of Technology. Probably the most prestigious university in China (not well known here though) and the only one to be funded by both the MSS and PLA. Interestingly, their apps load with a quick screenshot of a Mao quote..."the world will be ours".
- someperson 7y agoThanks for writing the blog post. It was a great read. You wrote "organs of executed prisons for transplant / sale, then slowly morphed into an extremely lucrative industry generating HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS". China has a $14 trillion dollar economy, so surely HUNDREDS of billions is not correct? Also do you have a citation for the Mao quote. I would like to see the screenshot and/or the full canonical English translation. I am very interested in learning more.
- rshnotsecure 7y agoPlease look into this app and the screenshots the developer has posted: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bizvideo-ec/id1409523106 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bizvideo-ec/id1409523106 Organs per individual go for $2,000,000 if a full ECMO harvest can be done. That is quite a bit of money, but illegal medical experimentation, as documented by the book "ScienceMart", generates an equivalent amount. Obviously the experimentees might not wind up completely dead like the organ transplant victims though.
- throwaway98797 7y agoYou can’t stand seeing success
- fermienrico 7y agoPerhaps I can't stand seeing the entire world having to bend down to an authoritarian regime (or any regime for that matter). Perhaps I can't stand the chilling effect current actions would create in the future: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect