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> But a federal judge in San Francisco wasn’t willing to go along with it. The judge, William Alsup, ordered DoorDash in February to proceed with the American A
by DannyB2 7y ago
> But a federal judge in San Francisco wasn’t willing to go along with it. The judge, William Alsup, ordered DoorDash in February to proceed with the American Arbitration Association cases and pay the fees.
Ah! Gotta love judge Alsup. Back in SCO vs Novell, and in Oracle vs Google.
> ... in a hearing, Judge Alsup questioned whether the company and its lawyers really believed that.
> "Your law firm and all the defense law firms have tried for 30 years to keep plaintiffs out of court,” the judge told lawyers for Gibson Dunn late last year. “And so finally someone says, ‘OK, we’ll take you to arbitration,’ and suddenly it’s not in your interest anymore. Now you’re wiggling around, trying to find some way to squirm out of your agreement."
> "There is a lot of poetic justice here," the judge added.
- dllthomas 7y agoWhat was his involvement in SCO vs Novell? He doesn't seem to be mentioned in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_Group,_Inc._v._Novell,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_Group,_Inc._v._Novell,_Inc.
- lonelappde 7y agoParent might have been thinking of Judge Jackson in the Microsoft antitrust case https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Penfield_Jackson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Penfield_Jackson
- maxlybbert 7y agoSCO vs. Novell was in Utah, under Judge Kimball. But Alsup was impressive in Oracle vs. Google, noting that he had some familiarity with programming and calling out Math.max() as the kind of function where scènes à faire and merger probably apply.
- tobinfricke 7y ago> as the kind of function where scènes à faire and merger probably apply. I had to look this up - »Scène à faire (French for "scene to be made" or "scene that must be done"; plural: scènes à faire) is a scene in a book or film which is almost obligatory for a genre of its type. In the U.S. it also refers to a principle in copyright law in which certain elements of a creative work are held to be not protected when they are mandated by or customary to the genre.« https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sc%C3%A8nes_%C3%A0_faire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sc%C3%A8nes_%C3%A0_faire
- late2part 7y agoThis was a holding argument in the CISCO v. ARISTA lawsuits. You can't trademark "show interface" for example.
- dllthomas 7y agoHe also oversaw Waymo v. Uber, and PG&E's probation (IIRC), and there were some great moments from both.
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- mehrdada 7y agoFunny his middle name is Haskell
- labster 7y agoLooks like you’re one of today’s lucky 10000: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=haskell%20middle%20name&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
- quickthrower2 7y ago> Do you know Haskell? > Ha ha, you ask me do I know Haskell? Haskell is my middle name!
- paulgb 7y agoHe also taught himself Java to better understand the arguments in Oracle vs. Google. https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/19/16503076/oracle-vs-google-judge-william-alsup-interview-waymo-uber https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/19/16503076/oracle-vs-googl...
- capital_guy 7y agoEhhh the article you linked explicitly says "Judge Alsup would like everyone to know that he doesn’t know Java."
- falcor84 7y agoI don't see how that refutes anything. Java is a complicated language and I personally wouldn't hire anyone who are vain enough to say "I know Java". In any case, the very next sentence of the article is "Not very well, anyway", which definitely supports the claim that he taught himself Java.
- ALittleLight 7y agoYou wouldn't hire anyone who says "I know Java"? That seems extreme. Some people do know Java and are completely justified in saying so.
- falcor84 7y agoWell, I suppose it was a bit of hyperbole on my part, but the thought of someone saying "I know Java" made me think of something like that "I know Kung Fu" moment from The Matrix, as if there's some amount of knowledge after which you just have the skill. I consider Java to be one of these things like Kung Fu, or Chess, or photography, where thinking that you now know it just means that you're so early in your learning process that you can't see the full lay of the land yet.
- Talanes 7y agoYes, but then the rest of the sentences after that go to great length to explain his actual programming background, in QuickBASIC, and how he applied his knowledge of fundamentals to the scenario at hand.
- hn_throwaway_99 7y agoSo glad he ruled against them. Door Dash forced its dashers to use a specific arbitration organization, and then when they actually did, refused to pay their fees and tried to take their case to a different arbitration organization that was more favorable to them. What a load of total bullshit. Goes to show the only "efficiencies" brought about by arbitration are discouraging people from bringing claims in the first place.