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The NYC health commissioner was saying to go outside and take the subway Feb 7th, 4 days after Trump's China ban went into effect. https://twitter.com/tomselli

The NYC health commissioner was saying to go outside and take the subway Feb 7th, 4 days after Trump's China ban went into effect. https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1243539189020401664?s=20 https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1243539189020401664?s... Literally everyone was saying it's not as bad as the Flu. I don't see why we're playing the blame game in the peak of things. I could definitely tell you WHO (China) is to blame, but now isn't the time. Also: https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1245478539018805251?s=20 https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1245478539018805251?s=20 https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/01/31/how-our-brains-make-coronavirus-seem-scarier-than-it-is/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/01/31/how-our-br... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/world/europe/coronavirus-stigma-europe.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/world/europe/coronavirus-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/03/the-flu-has-already-killed-10000-across-us-as-world-frets-over-coronavirus.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/03/the-flu-has-already-killed-1... https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1225937322694381568 https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1225937322694381568 https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1223676237060636672 https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/122367623706063667... https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1245262114639339520?s=20 https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/124526211463933952... https://i.imgur.com/43n4HWK.png https://i.imgur.com/43n4HWK.png

cvlasdkv 7y ago
I'm curious as to why you think China is to blame for American politicians ignoring precautions and prioritizing their own wealth over the well-being of their citizens?
- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
  Because China covered it up and misled the experts.
  - xenyal 7y ago
    Actually, China was thought to have covered it up because the whistleblower originally sent a message[1] to a WeChat group of his, telling group members that 7 people from the wet markets had been diagnosed with SARS. The government had no idea what it was and I'm sure nobody in the world knew what it was at the time, hence how it's a novel virus. [1]: https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/jvumSxUR3OrjfcgXFibaich6y6Z6w4NXAo7k7qlT6U0xmKMxsuTqske7QxmKUBW14SPWfazQIKhSReIW9ndl5Prg/640 https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/jvumSxUR3OrjfcgXFibaich6y6Z6...
    - s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
      You're leaving out a lot of details and what a spin that was. The Chinese government was informed and chose to cover it up. https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-and-cover-up-ee65211a-afb6-4641-97b8-353718a5faab.html https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coro... https://nypost.com/2020/02/29/china-officials-knew-of-coronavirus-in-december-ordered-cover-up-report-says/ https://nypost.com/2020/02/29/china-officials-knew-of-corona... https://www.vox.com/2020/2/10/21124881/coronavirus-outbreak-china-li-wenliang-world-health-organization https://www.vox.com/2020/2/10/21124881/coronavirus-outbreak-... https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/08/803766743/critics-say-china-has-suppressed-and-censored-information-in-coronavirus-outbrea https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/08/8037667...
      - xenyal 7y ago
        Thanks for the links. It seems that the response went along the following timeline according to my understanding: 1. Dec. 30 - Doctors from the first few cases have analyzed the samples and discover how similar the new virus is to SARS. Officials tell them not to spread information to the public about the virus. 2. Dec. 31 - China tells WHO about new virus (not that they know much at this point) 3. Jan. 1 - Provincial health committee orders provincial labs to destroy samples, samples are transported to larger state facility to do testing there. The reason for this is due to the samples being considered "highly pathogenic microorganisms", and that only approved facilities should test it. (I'm guessing due to the risk of acting on the sample and contracting it?) 4. Jan. 2nd - State approved facilities map the genetic sequence but an official national statement doesn't get made until a week later, Jan. 9th. So from lab work, until international statement, that's two weeks. During that time, wouldn't it make sense for the doctors and researchers to keep their results hidden until it can be verified lest they risk causing unwarranted panic? Considering how carriers of COVID19 can be asymptomatic [1], it does take time for verification to be done on whatever discovery a nation makes on the world stage. In hindsight, it's easy to say that they should have jumped the gun and done exactly that on whatever communications platform were available to them. However, had COVID-19 turn out to be a minor disease, that'd mark the end of all their careers. [1]: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/health/coronavirus-asymptomat...
  - nl 7y ago
    China notified the WHO on December 31. Anything after that date should be blamed on China. If you want to argue really hard, then January 23 when the Wuhan quarantine was announced is the last possible date that a country could argue that China was covering up the extent. At that date countries like Australia started screening passengers (and by 31 Jan had announced isolation requirements for travellers from China).

cvlasdkv 7y ago

I'm curious as to why you think China is to blame for American politicians ignoring precautions and prioritizing their own wealth over the well-being of their citizens?

s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
Because China covered it up and misled the experts.
- xenyal 7y ago
  Actually, China was thought to have covered it up because the whistleblower originally sent a message[1] to a WeChat group of his, telling group members that 7 people from the wet markets had been diagnosed with SARS. The government had no idea what it was and I'm sure nobody in the world knew what it was at the time, hence how it's a novel virus. [1]: https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/jvumSxUR3OrjfcgXFibaich6y6Z6w4NXAo7k7qlT6U0xmKMxsuTqske7QxmKUBW14SPWfazQIKhSReIW9ndl5Prg/640 https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/jvumSxUR3OrjfcgXFibaich6y6Z6...
  - s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
    You're leaving out a lot of details and what a spin that was. The Chinese government was informed and chose to cover it up. https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-and-cover-up-ee65211a-afb6-4641-97b8-353718a5faab.html https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coro... https://nypost.com/2020/02/29/china-officials-knew-of-coronavirus-in-december-ordered-cover-up-report-says/ https://nypost.com/2020/02/29/china-officials-knew-of-corona... https://www.vox.com/2020/2/10/21124881/coronavirus-outbreak-china-li-wenliang-world-health-organization https://www.vox.com/2020/2/10/21124881/coronavirus-outbreak-... https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/08/803766743/critics-say-china-has-suppressed-and-censored-information-in-coronavirus-outbrea https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/08/8037667...
    - xenyal 7y ago
      Thanks for the links. It seems that the response went along the following timeline according to my understanding: 1. Dec. 30 - Doctors from the first few cases have analyzed the samples and discover how similar the new virus is to SARS. Officials tell them not to spread information to the public about the virus. 2. Dec. 31 - China tells WHO about new virus (not that they know much at this point) 3. Jan. 1 - Provincial health committee orders provincial labs to destroy samples, samples are transported to larger state facility to do testing there. The reason for this is due to the samples being considered "highly pathogenic microorganisms", and that only approved facilities should test it. (I'm guessing due to the risk of acting on the sample and contracting it?) 4. Jan. 2nd - State approved facilities map the genetic sequence but an official national statement doesn't get made until a week later, Jan. 9th. So from lab work, until international statement, that's two weeks. During that time, wouldn't it make sense for the doctors and researchers to keep their results hidden until it can be verified lest they risk causing unwarranted panic? Considering how carriers of COVID19 can be asymptomatic [1], it does take time for verification to be done on whatever discovery a nation makes on the world stage. In hindsight, it's easy to say that they should have jumped the gun and done exactly that on whatever communications platform were available to them. However, had COVID-19 turn out to be a minor disease, that'd mark the end of all their careers. [1]: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/health/coronavirus-asymptomat...
- nl 7y ago
  China notified the WHO on December 31. Anything after that date should be blamed on China. If you want to argue really hard, then January 23 when the Wuhan quarantine was announced is the last possible date that a country could argue that China was covering up the extent. At that date countries like Australia started screening passengers (and by 31 Jan had announced isolation requirements for travellers from China).