To answer your question ("do people die with covid-19, or of it?") with data you might want to read this twitter thread. https://twitter.com/ActuaryByDay/status

To answer your question ("do people die with covid-19, or of it?") with data you might want to read this twitter thread. https://twitter.com/ActuaryByDay/status/1246866119597621248 https://twitter.com/ActuaryByDay/status/1246866119597621248 It links to a document from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre. The evidence from actual covid treatment doesn't support the "they die with, not of, covid" argument.