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It's presumptuous to say that this is the case for Firefox users. The fact that Firefox requires manual agreement to update means there is fragmentation. Faster

by necolas 16y ago

It's presumptuous to say that this is the case for Firefox users. The fact that Firefox requires manual agreement to update means there is fragmentation. Faster updates will only increase that unless it is accompanied by automatic, invisible updates.

estel 16y ago
From http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php, 87% of users are on Firefox 3.6 or newer, 95% 3.5 or newer and 99% on FF3 or newer. As fragmentation goes, that's not half bad.
- tnorthcutt 16y ago
  From http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php, 87% of users are on Firefox 3.6 or newer, 95% 3.5 or newer and 99% on FF3 or newer. As fragmentation goes, that's not half bad. For reference (according to that page), here are the numbers for each browser & version listed (as a percentage of that browser's share), along with the stable release date (from Wikipedia) for that version: IE8: 65.3% - 3/19/09 IE7: 24.9% - 10/18/06 IE6: 9.8% - 8/27/01 FF4: 2.3% - x/x/11 FF3.6: 85.3% - 1/21/10 FF3.5: 8.2% - 6/30/09 FF3: 4.2% - 6/17/08 Safari 5: 84.2% - 6/17/10 Safari 4: 15.8% - 6/8/09 Chrome 8: 100.0% - 12/2/10
  - estel 16y ago
    There are some numbers < 0.7% of the market that are not explicitly included on that page. Particularly Firefox 2, which still has about 0.25% of the overall market (0.8% of Firefox), and some older versions of Chrome.
- necolas 16y ago
  I don't see where I said Firefox's existing fragmentation was bad. I responded to the claim that "Almost all users of Firefox and Chrome are using the most up-to-date versions of those browsers". The stats you posted show that this is not the case for Firefox. I don't think 87% can pass for "almost all users". Firefox 3.6 has been out over one year and, according to those stats, there are still ~13% of users who are using earlier versions. If Firefox 4-7 are released in 2011, without automatic updates, it would stand to reason that fragmentation could increase.

by necolas 16y ago

estel 16y ago

From http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php, 87% of users are on Firefox 3.6 or newer, 95% 3.5 or newer and 99% on FF3 or newer. As fragmentation goes, that's not half bad.

tnorthcutt 16y ago
From http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php, 87% of users are on Firefox 3.6 or newer, 95% 3.5 or newer and 99% on FF3 or newer. As fragmentation goes, that's not half bad. For reference (according to that page), here are the numbers for each browser & version listed (as a percentage of that browser's share), along with the stable release date (from Wikipedia) for that version: IE8: 65.3% - 3/19/09 IE7: 24.9% - 10/18/06 IE6: 9.8% - 8/27/01 FF4: 2.3% - x/x/11 FF3.6: 85.3% - 1/21/10 FF3.5: 8.2% - 6/30/09 FF3: 4.2% - 6/17/08 Safari 5: 84.2% - 6/17/10 Safari 4: 15.8% - 6/8/09 Chrome 8: 100.0% - 12/2/10
- estel 16y ago
  There are some numbers < 0.7% of the market that are not explicitly included on that page. Particularly Firefox 2, which still has about 0.25% of the overall market (0.8% of Firefox), and some older versions of Chrome.
necolas 16y ago
I don't see where I said Firefox's existing fragmentation was bad. I responded to the claim that "Almost all users of Firefox and Chrome are using the most up-to-date versions of those browsers". The stats you posted show that this is not the case for Firefox. I don't think 87% can pass for "almost all users". Firefox 3.6 has been out over one year and, according to those stats, there are still ~13% of users who are using earlier versions. If Firefox 4-7 are released in 2011, without automatic updates, it would stand to reason that fragmentation could increase.